05 21 1991 Public Minutes (2)
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THB CORPORATION OP THB TOWNSHIP OP ORO
SPBCIAL PUBLIC KBBTING
~BSDAY. KAY 21.1111. "1:00 P.M. - COUNCIL CBAKBDS
ORB JlUNDR.BDTR ANI) I'II'TY-SIrrH DBTING 1188-1111 COUNCIL
The following members of Council were present:
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell
Councillor David Burton
Councillor Alastair Crawford
Councillor Allan Johnson
Absent:
Reeve Robert E. Drury
Also Present Were:
Ms. Kris Menzies, Mr. Perry Van Kessel,
Chris MacDonald, Mr. Casey Van Kessel, Mr.
Bruce Nelles, Ms. Brenda Nelles, Ms. Sheil
Kirkland, Mr. Henry Neufeld, Mr. Ross
Coneybeare, Ms. Chris Coneybeare, B.R.
Fleming, Ms. Vivian Bell, Ms. Lu-Anne
Bailey, Mr. Gord Bailey and Mr. Paul
Bunting.
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell chaired the meeting.
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell opened the meeting by explaining to
those present that this Public Meeting was to obtain public comment
with respect to a proposed Zoning By-Law Amendment, pursuant to the
provisions of the Planning Act, 1983, section 34 (12). The
applicant has applied to rezone certain lands described as the East
Half of Lot 16, Concession 11, (Van Kessel) from Agriculture to RG-
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TO DATE, the Council of the corporation of the Township of Oro have
not made a decision on this application other than proceeding to a
Public Meeting. Only after comments are received from the Public,
Township Staff and requested Agencies within the appropriate time
period, will Council make a decision on this application.
NOTICE of the Public Meeting was mailed out on April 26, 1991, to
all property owners within 400 feet of the subject lands. Notice 0
the Public Meeting was also placed in both the Barrie Examiner and
Orillia Packet and Times on April 26, 1991.
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell then asked the Clerk if there had been
any correspondence received on this matter. The Clerk responded by
indicating that no correspondence had been received.
The Deputy Reeve then stated that those persons present would be
afforded the opportunity of asking questions with respect to the
proposed Zoning By-Law Amendment.
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell then turned the meeting over to the
Township Planner, Ms. Kris Menzies, to explain the purpose and
effect of the proposed zoning By-Law Amendment.
Kris Menzies:
The Van Kessels own approximately eight
acres of land in East Oro with frontage on
the 15/16 Sideroad. The property is
irregularly shaped and there is currently
one single family dwelling located on the
property which has orientation towards the
15/16 Sideroad. What is being proposed is
a site specific rezoning for General
Residential to allow one duplex to be
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Kris Menzies:
located on the entire eight acre parcel.
It is designated appropriately for this
type of use under the Official Plan and th
zoning currently on the property is
agriculture. The request today before us
is to rezone it site specifically to
General Residential to allow for one duple
on the property.
Kris Menzies:
The rezoning would be strictly for this on
building that is there now.
Yes, this will allow this one building
which is currently a single family dwellin
to be transferred to a duplex use. One
building only will be allowed, accessory
buildings such as garages and garden sheds
will also be allowed.
Henry Neufeld:
Henry Neufeld:
But it could be a continuous rezoning one
by one to fill that whole acreage.
Kris Menzies:
Mr. Van Kessel would be required to come i
for another rezoning if he wants to put
anything else on the property and it would
be subject to another Public Meeting and
there will be no severances allowed on the
property.
Henry Neufeld:
This would be creating a precedent for suc
a request.
Kris Menzies:
No it would not Sir.
Henry Neufeld:
Duplexes, as far as a rural area is
concerned I do not think it is the place
for duplexes, duplexes belong in a City or
a Town where you have a row of duplexes,
but certainly not duplexes in a rural area
Kris Menzies:
In the Township of Oro, the zoning By-Law
in any General Residential Zone allows for
a duplex use. Anyone in the Township that
is currently zoned General Residential and
has the appropriate frontage and the
appropriate land area and the requirements
under the Building Code, that is Health
unit approval, is allowed to put a duplex.
Henry Neufeld:
In the small villages or Hamlet, you could
have more duplexes there than single famil
residences in very short order.
Kris Menzies:
That is up to the individual property owne
what they would like to do with their
property and every member of the Public is
more than willing to come in and attempt t
rezone or redesignate their property.
Sheila Kirkland:
I have some problems with this, being as
this application for a zoning change has
come about after the duplex is already
built. This to me shows this particular
land owner does not really respect the By-
Laws of the Township anyway. What is to
stop him again from further developing his
land and putting in further duplexes. I
Sheila Kirkland:
Bruce Nelles:
Kris Coneybeare:
Brenda Nelles:
Deputy Reeve Caldwell:
Kris Menzies:
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speak actually in defeat of this and would
like to see it stopped now as opposed to
having to come back and speak against why
the subdivision should not be allowed.
I am against the rezoning too because ther
is already two duplexes on the other piece
of property built by the same person. Thi
is another one and if he gets this it will
be equivalent to six houses on the
property. It will be quite a drain on the
water around there. It will devaluate my
property if he keeps getting continuous
approval for what he is doing.
We moved out to Oro because we like the
agriculture aspect and I do not want to se
a City slowly being developed. The City
can stay in Barrie or Orillia but I don't
want it in my back yard. This is just a
personal opinion.
We do live next to it. There is an
existing problem with East Oro Public
School with sewage and by every duplex you
add into the particular lot you are adding
it times two if its a duplex. I think the
Council should be aware that there is a
problem already with the sewage at East
Oro. There is a possibility of water but
obviously at this point we don't know, but
like I said every time you add a duplex to
this area you are multiplying everything b
two. If there are children, you multiply
that also to an existing school problem
that already has portables to contend with
the number of students they have at this
point. Our concern is if this is just a
stepping stone and you end up with more
homes in this area and they end up with a
cul-de-sac to be able to handle this
particular problem of adding more homes
into it, you will have more homes that wil
be backed up against our lot. We are a
single family dwelling and all of a sudden
you end up with a problem of everyones bac
yard up against yours.
Kris, just for clarification, there seems
to be some concern about the RG Zone and
the ability for people to put either singl
or semi detached on. The ability to put
semi detached on the RG Zone has been ther
for the inception of the Township's
Official Plan?
I am not familiar with the history of when
it came about but it has been in existence
for quite awhile. Essentially all small
municipalities in the Province based on
what the Ministry of Municipal Affairs
wants, it has to have multiple residential
in their Official Plan and at least
recognized, if not appropriately zoned.
Basically that is why you are starting to
see duplexes and triplexes allowed not onl
in Oro but in a lot of municipalities
throughout Ontario.
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Deputy Reeve Caldwell:
Bruce Nelles:
Kris Menzies:
Bruce Nelles:
Kris Menzies:
Henry Neufeld:
Kris Menzies:
Henry Neufeld:
Deputy Reeve Caldwell:
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We are just trying to get it clarified, it
is not something new it has been there, it
just has not been taken advantage of very
often. The Township has tightened up its
requirements to meet the criteria in terms
of lot size and the amount of frontage. I
believe the frontage is now 150 feet and
the total lot area is larger than it would
be for a single family dwelling which
previously it was not.
If the lot is rezoned residential, then he
can submit a proposal for a subdivision?
The proposal is for a site specific
rezoning which means a rezoning only
applicable to this site which would allow
for the use of the property as for one
duplex dwelling. If he wanted to come in
for a Plan of Subdivision, Mr. Van Kessel
would be required to rezone the property
once again to a General Residential Use,
plus go through the subdivision process.
still that is a stepping stone towards
this, is it not?
No it is not. He is currently allowed one
single family dwelling on the property wit
the existing zoning. He would like to see
a duplex on the property and the property
under the Official Plan is designated for
such uses. In the Hamlet area, this
municipality has policies of wanting to se
duplexes there as opposed to on the beach
or in the middle of a farm, or in the
middle of nowhere. This follows our
policies and it follows the zoning and he
would not be allowed to build anything els
other that perhaps a garage or a garden
shed on the property.
I am not quite sure, you are saying it is
in a zoning By-Law right now. When was th
amendment to permit multiple dwelling in a
Residential Zone because it was not an
original? So there is an amendment
somewhere and I am not aware when the
amendment occurred which permitted multipl
dwelling in any General Residential Zone.
I can only take a guess at this, but I
believe it was likely in the early 70's to
the mid 70's. I know it has been in
existence for quite a while but I could no
give you the exact date.
I don't think so.
I think we can probably obtain the answer
to that question, we have another meeting
at 7:15, we may just take a five minute
break in between and give the Planner an
opportunity to see if she can come up with
a date when that was in place.
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The Deputy Reeve after enquiring and ascertaining that there were n
further questions from those present, thanked those in attendance
for their participation and advised that Council would consider all
matters before reaching a decision. He then advised those present
that if they wished to be notified of the passing of the proposed
By-law, they should leave their name and address with the Clerk.
MOTION NO.1
Moved by Burton, seconded by Johnson
Be it resolved that the Special Public Meeting of Council (Van
Kessel, East Half of Lot 16, Concession 11) now be adjourned
@ 7:16 p.m.
Carried
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Clerk Robert W. Small
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell