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THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO-MEDONTE
SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING
SATUIIDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 1996
@ 10:00
A.M. - COUNCIL CHAMBERS
NINETY-FOURTH MEETING 1994-1997 COUNCIL
The following members of Council were present:
Mayor Ian Beard
Deputy Mayor Murray Martin
Councillor Walter Dickie
Councillor Don Bell
Councillor Neil Craig
Councillor Larry Cotton
Absent:
Councillor Ron Sommers
Staff Present:
Andria Leigh, Development Co-
ordinator, Jennifer Zieleniewski,
CAO/Treasurer.
~so Present Were:
Nick McDonald, Kris Menzies, Gary
Cunnington, John Carl, W. Logan,
Gordon Keith, Ernie Dryden,
Hartley Woodside, Gordon Ball,
Bill Moore, Bud Arbour, Neil
Carpenter, Ray Kelso, W. Gray, R.
Gray, T. de Groot, Mary Lou
Kirby, Derek Anderson, Tim
Crooks, Ron Watkin, Rex Meadley,
David Bohme, David Edwards,
Victor Wilson, Way & Betty
Benneyworth, James & Katherine
Heal, Norman & Marjorie Roe,
Nelson Robertson, Earl Robertson,
Tim Crawford, Margaret Clark,
Matthew Clark, Colin McKim, Bob
Drury, Michael Vaughan, Peter J.
Smith, Robin R. Searle, Ria
Searle, Oswald Piil, Mary Frances
Brunt, Donald Simpson, Colin
Taylor, Allan Baker, Robert
Swerdon, Bill Pidlysny, Donald P.
Hanney, Wilf McMechan, Philip
Brunt, Ron Suwala. Barbara
Cayley, Don Anderson, Bill
Martin, Derek Anderson.
Mayor Ian Beard chaired the meeting.
Mayor Ian Beard opened the meeting and the Clerk explained to
those present that the purpose of this Public Meeting was to
obtain public comments on the proposed new Official Plan, under
Section 17 of the Planning Act R.S.O. 1990, c. P. 13.
At the present time, this Official Plan is a draft document,
which means that it has not been adopted by Council. It is
proposed that only after comments are received from the Public,
requested agencies and Township staff, wi thin the appropriate
time period, will Council make a decision on this proposed
Official Plan.
Notice of the Public Meeting was placed in the Barrie Examiner,
the Orillia Packet and Times, and the Midland Free Press on
November 1, 1996. Notice was also posted in the following
locations: Oro-Medonte Administration Building, Hawkestone
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General Store, Coulson General Store, Oro Station General
Store, Carthew Bay General Store, Warminster Jug City, Granny's
of Craighurst, Jarratt Hall, D. J. 's Country Store, Shanty Bay
Milk Store.
The Clerk then advised that the following correspondence was
received and read same:
On behalf of the Ceda~ont Beach Ratepayers Association. To the
Mayor, Deputy Mayor and Councillors - Oro-Medonte Township, re:
Designation of Part of lots 19 and 20 Con. 2 - Piil Owner.
Dear Sirs: I have been requested on behalf of the Cedarmont
Beach Ratepayers Association which represents at least 60
property owners on the lakeshore side of Woodland Drive
immediately adjacent to the Piil property, to write and thank
the Council for redesignating the above property from Shoreline
Residential to Restricted Rural in the third draft of your
Official Plan which is the subj ect of a public meeting on
November 23, 1996. We have also received the support and
approval of the Maplewood Ratepayers Association immediately to
the south and the Moon's Beach Ratepayers Association
immediately to the north in opposing this application and in
thanking the Council for its favourable consideration of this
matter.
Our concerns regarding the proposed sub-division of Mr. Piilon
the above property have been set out in the numerous letters
and submissions to you by area residents and can be summarized
by repeating the first three pillars of the draft Official
Plan, namely protect the natural environment, promote proper
conservation and use of natural resources and protect the
townships rural character.
We are extremely thankful that we have a Council who
appreciates our concerns and who acted so prudently in
redesignating this area to Restricted Rural. Our faith and
confidence in Municipal Government has been greatly
strengthened by your action. Yours very sincerely, J. D. Bohme
on behalf of the Cedarmont Beach Ratepayers Association.
Nottawasaga Valley Conservation Authority, to Nick McDonald,
BA, MCIP, RPP, The Planning Partnership, Date: November 22,
1996, From: Charles F. Burgess, Subject: Draft Official Plan,
Township of Oro-Medonte, County of Simcoe, Your File Number
1188. Thank you for providing us with a revised copy of the
Draft Official Plan for the Township of Oro-Medonte. Generally,
the NVCA is satisfied with the environmental component of the
Plan subject to a degree of "refinement" with regard to policy
content, location and interpretation/implementation.
Currently, we are in the process of formulating further
comments which we intend to provide by early next week. We
hope that this time frame is acceptable in light of the public
meeting scheduled for tomorrow, as per the Planning Act.
We look forward to our continued involvement in this important
planning process, and please call should you have any further
comments in the interim. Regards, Charles.
Greg & Judy Thatcher, Township of Oro-Medonte, Attention Andrea
Leigh. In response to the new Official Plan being adopted by
Council it has come to our attention that our property (PL 15
Con. 9 is not being considered as part of the new plan for
future development. It appears the westerly line of our
property which fronts on Simcoe Rd. 19 in the hamlet of
Moonstone and borders the existing subdivision by a measurement
of 1008 ft. deep, abutting Toboggan hill, to the south is the
dividing line. We would ask council to consider this property
as part of the new plan for future development which consists
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of app 28.66 acres being a frontage of app 2600 ft on Simcoe
Rd . 19.
The subj ect property is currently at our planners. We would
like to also mention to council an area of app 3 to 5 acres on
this plan is being offered to the Parks and Recreation to
assist their needs in construction of a baseball diamond and
other community proj ects as suggested in their 5 year plan.
The property in question abuts toboggan hill which would allow
toboggan hill as an entry to this area with a road installed or
easement from Simcoe Rd. 19 which ever would be more suitable.
Confirmation of the offering of land could be attained from Mr.
Rick Yule, Moonstone Parks Recreation, signed cordially, Greg
and Judi Thatcher.
PK Menzies Planning & Development Inc., Mayor and Members of
Council, Township of Oro-Medonte, Oro Station, Ontario, LOL
2EO, Dear Mayor and Members of Council: Re: Official Plan
Review Process, Development Application P17/90 (Mascioli).
The undersigned represents Mr. and Mrs. Tony Mascioli who are
owners of Part of Lot A, Concession 2 in the former Township of
Oro. A portion of Mr. and Mrs. Mascioli's residential property
is subject to an application for Commercial development wherein
an existing residential garage is proposed to be redesignated
to Commercial and rezoned Commercial.
In review of the mapping associated the draft Official Plan for
the new Township of Oro-Medonte, it is apparent that his
proposed Commercial development is not recognized in the
Official Plan. On behalf of the Mascioli's, this office hereby
requests that Council give favourable consideration to the
redesignation of this small portion of land in order to
facilitate the Mascioli's Commercial Development Plans.
It should be noted
commercial developed
adjacent motel. Both
and are designated
Official Plans.
that the Mascioli's own the adjacent
property (gas station) as well as the
of these sites have access to Highway 11
Commercial in the existing and draft
I thank Council for their consideration of this mater.
truly, P. K. Menzies Planning and Development Inc.
Yours
James & Katherine Heal, R. R. #2, Shanty Bay, LOL 2LO to Andria
Leigh, Development Co-ordinator, Oro-Medonte, Onto Re: West
Half of Lot 18, Cone. 2 and Draft Official Plan. Dear Madam:
We obj ect to the proposed change under the new Plan as it
relates to the existing agricultural designation of the above
lot.
This lot has always been zoned agricultural at the north east
corner and has been assessed as constituting one building lot
for over twenty years. Accordingly, we as owners, have paid
taxes for that period on the basis of that possible use.
In these circumstances, we ask that Council change the new
Draft Official Plan to continue the existing zoning relating to
the above lot.
In closing, we wish to thank you and Mr. McDonald for the time
you have spent with us and for your most helpful comments
relating to this matter. Yours truly, James & Katherine Heal.
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Correspondence was received from James & Katherine Heal
regarding Lot 17, Conca 2, and Draft new Official Plan, however
it was not read in error.
Robert and Charles Drury as follows: Andrea Leigh, Planning
Administrator, Township of Oro-Medonte. Dear Ms. Leigh: Please
consider this letter as a formal request from Charles Drury and
Robert Drury to include in your new Official Plan, update and
consolidation, a change in designation of what would be know as
the back portion of our farms Lot 12 and 13 Con. 1, abutting
the first line as outlined on the attached drawing. We will
provide a more accurate detailed survey if requested by the
Township of Oro-Medonte. The request is to change the
designation from Agricultural to Rural.
The lands described are not and will never be suitable for any
form of crop land. The lands could best be described as class
5 or 6 because of the steep hilly terrain, boulders, and lack
of topsoil in some areas. Some of the area is covered with wet
holes, and on some of the area the land is such heavy clay that
we cannot get spruce trees to grow. We have a Ducks Unlimited
project covering about 20 acres which was drained down this
year to try to accommodate growth which has not been successful
so far. There is also a drainage ditch running the complete
distance of the described area. This ditch drains all the
farms to the Northwest of our farms and has no benefit to our
agricultural land.
The total acreage involved would be
can see by the above description,
accurate, the lands described would
wi th Rural designation. We believe
accomplished with a mapping change.
about 125 - 130. As you
which we believe to be
be appropriate to conform
that this change could be
If you require any further information do not hesitate to
contact Robert or Charles Drury. Sincerely, Robert Drury,
Charles Drury.
Rick Hunter, To Nick McDonald, The Planning Partnership, From:
Rick Hunter, Date: September 26, 1996, Re: Oro-Medonte Official
Plan, Hawkestone - Ochrym property. We will be completing our
review of the proposed Official Plan policies for Hawkestone
within the next few days and will provide further written
comment to you early next week. We remain concerned that there
is no provision for limited infill development on our client's
property while we work toward the long term solution for
development on this property and in the hamlet.
We do not expect to attend the public meeting on November 23,
1996.
Please ensure that we remain on the notice/circulation list for
all public meetings and decisions regarding the Official Plan.
Thank you for your ongoing assistance as we proceed through
this process. Rick Hunter, copy to: George Ochrym.
Rick Hunter, To Nick McDonald, The Planning Partnership, From:
Rick Hunter, Date: September 26, 1996, Re: Oro-Medonte Official
Plan, Guthrie Property.
We do not expect to attend the public meeting on November 23,
1996. Our client's concerns are being addressed through our
previous correspondence and we will provide further written
comment directly to you following the public meeting.
Please ensure that we remain on the notice/circulation list for
all public meetings and decisions regarding the Official Plan.
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Thank you for your ongoing assistance as we proceed through
this process. Rick Hunter, copy to: Don Guthrie.
Rick Hunter, To Nick McDonald, The Planning Partnership, From:
Rick Hunter, Date: September 26, 1996, Re: Oro-Medonte Official
Plan, Hardwood Hills Property.
We do not expect to attend the public meeting on November 23,
1996. Our clients concerns are being addressed through our
previous correspondence and we will provide further written
comment directly to you following the public meeting.
Please ensure that we remain on the notice/circulation list for
all public meetings and decisions regarding the Official Plan.
Thank you for your ongoing assistance as we proceed through
this process. Rick Hunter, copy to: Dave Viney.
City of Barrie, The Planning Partnership, 113 Collier Street,
Barrie, Ontario, L4M IH2, Attention: Nick McDonald, Senior
Planner. Dear Mr. McDonald: Re: Draft Oro-Medonte Official
Plan.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the draft of the
Oro-Medonte Official Plan. I have reviewed the appropriate
sections of the Plan, in particular, Section D-ll Restricted
Rural, Section D9 Rural Residential, Section B3 Rural (I assume
this is intend to be D3) and DI0 Shoreline which will have the
greatest impact on the City of Barrie. In general I have no
comments or concerns to offer for the purposes of the public
meeting to be held November 23, 1996 but reserve the right to
provide additional comments prior to final approval of the
Plan. The City will provide its final comments in the form of
a Council Resolution following consideration of a staff report,
prior to final approval of the Plan.
I would however appreciate it if you could provide me with some
examples of the types of uses which might be permitted in the
"home industries" category and how this would differentiate
from "home occupations". I would also appreciate some
information on why a "Rural" land use designation was placed on
the lands between Baycrest Crescent and the "Shoreline"
designation on the southerly part of the Barrie/Oro-Medonte
boundary rather than a continuation of the "Restricted Rural"
designation.
I look forward to hearing from you in the near future. If you
wish to discuss this matter please do not hesitate to contact
me at (705) 739-4220 ext. 4314. Yours truly, Merwan Ross
Kalyaniwalla, Senior Policy Planner.
Ron E. Suwala, Mr. Nick McDonald, The Planning Partnership, 113
Collier Street, Barrie, Ontario L4M IH2, Re: Oro-Medonte
Official Plan Draft "Horseshoe Valley Road Special Policy Area"
(Sched. A15). Dear Mr. McDonald: Further to our conversation
of today, we request the following: That the boundary of the
above mentioned Special Policy Area be adjusted slightly to
exclude our entire property (East 1. 2, Lot 2, Conc. 5) from
inclusion in the "Horseshoe Valley Road Special Policy Area."
As we found no valid reason for its proposed inclusion and your
acknowledgement that you would be comfortable with such a
change to the proposed boundary; we submit this written request
per your recommendation to us.
Thank you for having reconsidered this matter upon having it
brought to your attention.
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We appreciate as well your courteous explanation
inquiry. Sincerely, Mr. and Mrs. R. Suwala.
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Ron E. Suwala, Mr. Nick McDonald, The Planning Partnership, 113
Collier Street, Barrie, Ontario L4M IH2, Re: Oro-Medonte
Official Plan Draft Transportation Policies Official Plan
Vision: recognizes #4., "The needs of the present and future
residents" Based on the above vision statement #4, and other
factors; we request modification to the Transportation Policy
G2.4.1 Non-winter maintained roads, to permit some flexibility
and consideration for unique or special circumstances, logical
inevitable growth requirements and to recognize the needs of
present and future residents as stated in the Official Plan
Vision Statement.
The present policies that relate to Non-winter maintained
roads, are severe and without room to move within their
wordings and don't allow for special circumstances or the needs
of present and future residents to ever be considered.
We see that areas of the community change and evolve.
once have been adequate may now or soon be deficient.
What may
As this new Official Plan will reflect obj ecti ves for many
years, it is timely that citizens express their concerns.
We trust we have presented this to you in an appropriate manner
for your conveyance to Oro-Medonte at this time. If you feel
otherwise by all means contact us immediately.
Should a copy be required at the Town office, would you do so
on our behalf to the correct person. Thank you Mr. McDonald.
Yours truly, Mr. and Mrs. R. Suwala.
City of Orillia, Township of Oro-Medonte, Box 100, Oro, Ontario
LOL 2XO, Attention: Andrea Leigh, Planner, Dear Ms. Leigh: Re:
Township of Oro-Medonte - Draft Official Plan.
Having reviewed the Draft Official Plan which was circulated to
us, we find that generally those areas which would concern the
City of Orillia have been dealt with appropriately. The one
area where we would like to make a suggestion relates to the
Highway Commercial policies. These allow for retail uses but
there is no provision for specific policies related to maj or
commercial developments which could potentially have a
significant detrimental impact on the City's downtown. Both
Ramara and Severn Townships have Official Plan policies in
place to address this question (see attached) and we would like
to suggest that a similar policy be incorporated in your Plan.
In general terms, I feel that the Township and its consultant
should be commended on the quality of the document you have
produced. Yours truly, Andrew R. Fyfe, Senior Planner.
A. Douglas Bidmead, Andria Leigh, Oro-Medonte Township, P. O.
Box 100, Oro, Ontario LOL 2XO, Dear Ms. Leigh: Re: Official
Plan Review - Conca 10, SW 1/4 Lot 21.
Cone. 10, SW 1/4 Lot 21 is currently designated "gravel" and
has been operated as such for the past several years.
I wish to advise the council that it is my intention to use
this land as a gravel pit for only a few more years, possibly
only five. At that time I would like the lot re-designated to
rural, residential.
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I appreciation your including this consideration with your
plans. Should you have questions, or require further
information, I can be reached at the above address and
telephone number. Yours truly, A. Douglas Bidmead.
Paul Perri, Delivered by Hand, The Corporation of the Township
of Oro-Medonte, Box 100, Oro, Ontario LOL 2XO, Attention: Mrs.
Lynda Aiken, Clerk. Dear Mrs. Aiken: Re: Objection - Township
of Oro-Medonte Updated Official Plan.
Please accept this letter as a formal objection to the
contemplated "Restricted Rural" designation of my property
within the proposed Oro-Medonte Official Plan.
I am the owner of a 12.88 acres (5.21Ha.) property located at
the western edge of the Township, adjacent to the City of
Barrie and is legally described as being Part of Lot 1,
Concession 1, former Township of Oro. Penetanguishene Road
abuts the property to the west, with the property's southern
boundary abutting the existing Baycrest Residential
Subdivision. I have constructed my residence on the subject
property, and have over the years made overtures to the
municipal for the development of a residential plan of
subdivision. The reasons for my appeal are as follows:
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My property is a natural extension of the rural
residential Baycrest Subdivision to the south. The
proposal for a "Restricted Rural" designation on my
property is adversely prohibi ti ve. permi tting a rural
residential, transitional zone of development appears
appropriate.
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The proposed designation as Restricted Rural is in direct
conflict with the existing registered plan applicable to
my property. I purchased the property in 1985. In
December of 1988, the former Township of Oro undertook to
deregister Registered Plan No.1. I was never advised as
per the provisions of the deregistration process of the
Township's action. Therefore it is deemed that Registered
Plan No.1 is still legally registered, and therefore my
property is subject to the provisions of By-law 1031
relating to the recognition of the registered plans of
record existing prior to the enactment of By-law 1031
which would permit development of my property.
The policy proposed as applicable to the Restricted Rural
designation calls for the restriction of use to an
agricultural and/or agriculturally related use. My
property is utilized residentially as my principal
residence, and is not and has not been utilized
agriculturally for many years.
I undertook the opportunity under date of Thursday, September
28 to appear as a deputation before Council to express my
displeasure with the proposed Restricted Rural designation on
my property. This letter serves to reiterate my opposition to
the proposed redesignation of my property. Yours truly, Paul
Perri.
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Dan Williams, Ms. Andria Leigh, Township of Oro-Medonte, P. O.
Box 100, Oro, Ontario LOL 2XO. Dear Ms. Leigh: I have studied
the August 6, 1996 Draft Oro-Medonte Official Plan carefully
and my detailed comments are enclosed. Included with my
comments is a map, which my daughter drafter for me, showing
Oro-Medonte in relation to the Greater Toronto Area; I refer to
this map several times in my comments.
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I also refer in some places to a paper which I had published in
1983 about "Agroclimatic Resource Analysis". If anyone needs
copies of that paper, or any other information regarding my
comments on the Official Plan, please call me.
I am a long-time resident of this area (1931-49 & 1980 to
date), and I also have qualifications relevant to land use
planning matters, including a Master's degree in geography
specializing in rural land resources. I could provide a resume
if requested. Sincerely, Dan Williams. (Attached 13 pages were
not read at meeting because they were of a technical nature and
Council had received copies).
All those persons present will be afforded the opportunity of
making comments on or asking questions about the proposed
Official Plan. Each person will generally be permitted a
maximum of 10 minutes to present their comments. Please state
your name and address for the record prior to proceeding with
your comments.
It should be noted that, in accordance with Section 17(19) of
the Planning Act, the Ontario Municipal Board has the power to
dismiss as appeal to the Official Plan if the appellant has not
provided Council with oral submissions at the public meeting or
written submissions to Council before the Plan is adopted.
The Clerk then turned the meeting over to the Township Planning
Consultant, Nick McDonald, to explain the purpose and effect of
the proposed Official Plan.
Nick McDonald:
Good morning everyone. My name is Nick McDonald and I am with
the firm named The Planning Partnership who has been retained
by the Township of Oro-Medonte to prepare the Official Plan
that is the subject of the meeting today.
This public meeting represents the culmination of a year-long
planning process that involved members of Council and staff,
numerous residents and all of the Provincial agencies.
As most people are aware in this room, a new Official Plan was
required for the Township because this Council inherited five
different Official Plans after amalgamation occurred in 1994.
These Official Plans cover lands wi thin the Township of Flos,
wi thin the Township of Vespra, Township of Oro, Township of
Medonte, Township of Orillia. Each of these plans had
differing philosophies on where development should be directed
and have different development policies which dictated under
what circumstances development should be permitted.
As a result of this situation, it was one of the mandates of
this Council to prepare a new Official Plan to cover the entire
municipali ty and contain a vision for the municipality during
this term of Council. It was also one of the mandates of this
Council to involve as many people of the Township as possible
in the process leading up to the development of this plan.
A public consultation process was therefore developed to ensure
that the new Plan was based on a common vision for the future.
This public consultation process involved: at the initiation of
the process we held a series of workshops in various locations
throughout the municipality during the summer of 1995 in which
we asked people to provide us with any thoughts on a future
vision for the municipality; we also prepared a series of
newsletters by our firm which were distributed to many people
in the Township, one of them was mailed to every household in
the Township late in 1995; we also held a number of open houses
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at various points in the process to inform people of the work
that was being completed and to receive comments on that work;
and the forwarding of information on the progress of the
Official Plan review in the municipal newsletters that are
mailed to every household in the community and I believe that
was done at least twice.
In addition, I was always available either in the municipal
office or in my office in Barrie to discuss the Official Plan
at their convenience.
In addition to consulting the public, we also met with or
discussed the Official Plan with all of the Provincial agencies
that have an interest in the future planning of the Township.
We also liased with the County of Simcoe, as they are now in
the process of preparing a County Official Plan at the present
time.
As part of this process we also had various sub-consultants
retained by the Township to provide Council with information on
a variety of issues that are to be dealt with in the new
Official Plan. This information included the following:
Ecoplans was asked to provide recommendations on the
Natural Heritage System of the Township on how that
Natural Heritage System should be protected;
Terraprobe was asked to review the locations of
groundwater recharge areas in the Township and provide
recommendations on how these features should be protected;
C.C.Tatham & Associates was asked to look at the servicing
systems in all of the settlement areas in the Township and
provide recommendations on whether these systems could be
expanded;
Jon Linton was asked to provide some thoughts on a
economic development strategy to Council and to provide
some recommendations on how that strategy could be
implemented in the form of Official Plan policies; and
Archaeological Research Associates was asked to identify
the locations of archaeological resources and heritage
resources in the Township and to provide recommendations
to Council on how these resources could be protected.
The public consultations previously discussed and the work of
the various consultants in addition to our work led to the
development of a vision of the future for this municipality
which is contained or found in Section Al of the Official Plan.
It is intended that this vision provide the basis for all of
the land use policies that are applied to this municipality for
the next 20 years.
I will briefly describe some of the main components of this
vision:
The purpose of this Official Plan is to manage change and
to protect the natural heritage system of Oro-Medonte, and
to do so in a way that has the greatest positive impact on
the quality of life in Oro-Medonte.
The excellent quality of life is what consistently came up
through our consultations with the public as being very,
very important. That is why people live here, that is why
people move to this area. It is the quality of life now
enj oyed by this Township's residents. This quality of
life is created, in large part, by the rural character of
the community, the open countryside, farmland, extensive
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wooded areas, Lake Simcoe, Bass Lake and a number of small
settlement areas that are scattered throughout the
municipality.
Rather than being dominated by man-made structures and
landscaped yards, the Township has an open, relatively
natural and rural character. It is this character that
this Plan is trying to maintain. These are the qualities
that taken together, contribute to the identity of the
community that is of the greatest importance to the
residents.
The Township also has a number of significant
environmental and topographical features which also
contribute to the" sense of place" felt by many of the
Township's residents. These should be protected and this
Official Plan strives to protect these features.
The Oro Moraine is considered by many to be the heart of
the natural heritage system of Oro-Medonte. It serves as
a recharge area for a number of watersheds and it is also
very beautiful. It is expected that there will continue
to be pressure for development in this area in the future,
and it will be the role of the Official Plan to ensure
that the interests of people who want to develop and the
interests of people who want to protect the moraine are
balanced.
The population of the Township in 1996 was about 16,000
people. The maj ori ty of this population was housed in
small settlement areas, along the Horseshoe Valley Road
and a number of roads, Horseshoe Valley Road resorts and
Sugarbush and examples like that and also along the
shoreline. This Plan does not anticipate that the
existing pattern of development will changed in the
future.
The County of Simcoe has estimated that the Township's
permanent population will increase by approximately 10,000
people over the next twenty years. Given that sufficient
land already exists in the municipality to deal with this
expected population increase. This Plan does not designate
the additional lands for residential development, only
exceptions are in cases where infilling is deemed to be
desirable or in circumstances where we have identified a
full service area and we needed to designate additional
lands to make the development of those full services
economical and cost efficient.
The vast majority of the Township's residents now work and
shop in neighbouring Barrie and Orillia. We don't think
that is going to change too much. However, we would like
to stimulate additional economic activity in this Township
because that will increase the sense of community that is
fel t by the Township residents. As a result additional
economic development in the Township will be encouraged by
the Official Plan provided there are no adverse impacts to
the environment and on the rural character of the
community.
This Plan designates enough land for commercial,
industrial and residential uses to last until the year at
least 2016.
As a result amendments to permit such development will not
be considered by Council unless they are looked at on the
basis of a comprehensive review of the Official Plan.
That normally happens after a five year period has
elapsed.
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On the basis of the vision described above, a series of pillars
have been developed. These pillars are supported by a number
of objectives that also are intended to form the basis of the
Official Plan. These pillars are:
Pillar #1
Pillar #2
- protect the natural environment
- promote the proper conservation and use of natural
resources.
- protect the township's rural character
- manage change to ensure that it occurs in an
orderly and efficient manner
- promote economic activity that takes advantage of
the township's attributes. .
Pillar #3
Pillar #4
Pillar #5
Flowing from these pillars are a series of objectives, about 30
of them, which I won't go into right now, which serve to
implement those pillars.
We have also as part of this Official Plan developed a
settlement area and servicing strategy. The purpose of
developing such a strategy is to identify where residential
development will be directed and how it will be serviced. As
part of that strategy we developed a hierarchy of settlement
areas and I will briefly describe what those settlement areas
are.
Hawkestone and the Horseshoe Valley Resort have been
identified as two settlement areas where development will
occur on full sewer and water services. Hawkestone has
been selected as one of the two settlement areas in the
Township that is to develop on full sewer and water
services because:
it is located adj acent to a full interchange with
Highway 11;
it is located close to nearby employment centres;
its development is not expected to have an impact on
agricultural uses;
it can easily be serviced by a municipal water
system;
the potential exists to
infrastructure in the area; and
the potential exists to attract uses to the Township
that require full municipal services to be cost-
effective.
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existing
The Horseshoe Valley Resort is a multi-use facility
combining resort, recreational and residential uses. It
is expected that the role of the resort will evolve in the
future as a greater range of services are provided to the
travelling public and local residents.
Warminster, Craighurst and Sugarbush are the three
settlement areas where some growth on municipal water and
private septic systems will occur. Lands within those
three areas are already designated within the existing
Official Plans and no new lands will be designated around
either of those communities.
As a result of concerns about the long range impacts of
addi tional development on private septic systems in the
communi ty, new development in Shanty Bay will be
restricted to those lands that have already been approved
for development by previous Councils. If any expansion to
Shanty Bay is considered in the future there will need to
be a comprehensive review of the impact of that expansion
on the servicing. i. e. there will be a need to look at
how the new development should be served.
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Moonstone and Oro Station are the two settlement areas
where only limited growth will occur on municipal water
and private septic systems.
Limited growth on private services will occur in Jarratt,
East Oro, Rugby, Edgar and Guthrie and no additional
development will occur unless it is on a private or unless
it is on an existing lot of record in Forest Home or
Prices Corners.
In order to implement the vision, the pillars and the
settlement area and servicing strategy, a number of land use
designations have been developed. I will briefly description
what those land use designations are:
The Environment Protection One designation is intended to
include the following significant features:
- Provincially significant wetlands (Classes 1, 2, and 3);
- Provincially significant Areas of Natural and Scientific
Interest;
- Significant portions of habitat of endangered or
threatened species;
- Critical wildlife habitat; and
- Significant watercourses and valley corridors.
Information on the location and expanse of the areas which
are designated Environmental Protection One was provided
to us by the Ministry of Natural Resources.
Lands designated Agricultural
following criteria:
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a)
they consist of lands which are Classes 1, 2 or 3 for
potential agricultural capability according to the
Canada Land Inventory;
they consist of lands which, in spite of varying
market conditions, are considered to be viable
ongoing operations;
they support intensive farming operations; and/or,
they are surrounded by or contiguous to other
agricultural operations.
b)
c)
d)
Generally speaking, lands which are proposed to be
designated as part of this Official Plan are currently
designated Agricultural in the existing Official Plans of
the five Townships. Minor tinkering has occurred here and
there but generally speaking, lands that are currently
Agricultural will remain designated Agricultural in the
new Official Plan.
The Rural designation generally includes all of the rural
areas in the Township that are not considered to be as
sui table for agricultural purposes as lands wi thin the
Agricul tural designation. As a result of that the
permitted uses in this designation are generally more
broad than in the Agricultural designation.
The Rural Settlement Area
following rural service
communities:
designation applies to the
centres or residential
Warminster, Moonstone, Craighurst, Forest Home,
Guthrie, East Oro, Edgar, Jarratt, Oro Station,
Corners and Shanty Bay.
Rugby,
Prices
This designation provides for the types of uses that are
normally found in a rural settlement area, residential,
institutional, commercial and industrial.
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The Mineral Aggregate Resources designation applies to
existing pit operations and areas of high potential
mineral aggregate resources as identified by the Ministry
of Natural Resources. The majority of these areas are
located on the Oro Moraine. The majority of the lands
proposed to be designated are currently designated in the
Oro Official Plan. However, additional lands in the
vicinity of the 12th Line north of Rugby are proposed to
be designated in this Official Plan. This is as a result
of a request made by a land owner to designate their lands
for aggregate extraction in the future.
Lands designated Open Space are owned by the municipality,
the County of Simcoe or the Province of Ontario. Lands
included within this designation include all County of
Simcoe forests, the Copeland Forest area, Bass Lake
provincial Park and all major Township of Oro-Medonte
parks. Uses of these areas are obviously limited to
recreational uses, both active and passive.
The Industrial designation applies to a number of
properties in the vicinity of Highway 11.
The majority of the lands designated Highway Commercial
are located in the vacinity of Highway 11.
Lands designated Rural Residential were previously
designated for estate residential, country residential or
chalet residential purposes in the existing Official Plan
that apply to the Township. No new rural residential areas
have been designated in this Township it is not
anticipated that there will be any other designations or
other lands identified for this purpose during the
planning period.
The Shoreline designation generally applies to those lands
which have already been developed for permanent and
seasonal residential uses in close proximity to Lake
Simcoe or Bass Lake. The intent of this designation is to
preserve the existing character of this area.
The Restricted Rural designation applies to all
undeveloped lands surrounding the City of Orillia that
were located in the Township of Orillia. In addition,
this designation applies to all undeveloped lands adjacent
to the City of Barrie. Its intended that this designation
provide or ensure that there is a clear separation between
urban and rural uses in this municipality and prevent
sprawl from spilling over from the City of Barrie or the
City of Orillia into the rural areas of the Township of
Oro-Medonte.
The Airport designation recognizes the location of the
Lake Simcoe Regional Airport and obviously permits airport
related uses.
The Oro Centre Industrial/Commercial designation, is a
special designation that applies to lands at the
intersection of the 7th Line and Highway 11, just to the
North of this Municipal Office. It is intended that these
lands serve as the focus for new airport-related,
industrial and commercial development in the Township, it
is the intend of this municipality to try to consolidate
that type of development in one location along Highway 11
rather than trying to spread it out along the entire
highway.
The Mount St. Louis/Moonstone designation applies to the
lands which are now the site of the Mount St. Louis/
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Moonstone ski resort. Policies in that designation provide
for the existing ski resort operation but also provide for
residential uses provided a secondary plan is done.
The Hawkestone Special Policy Area applies to the
Hawkestone area and its intended that lands within this
special policy area be developed on the basis of full
municipal water and sewer services. Again there is a
requirement for there to be a detailed Secondary Plan and
Master Servicing Plan done before anything occurs in
Hawkestone.
The Horseshoe Valley Road Special Policy Area applies to
lands located on both sides of Horseshoe Valley Road
between Craighurst and Prices Corners. There are special
policies within this designation which deal with
development along this road. Many of these policies were
developed as a result of concerns expressed at an Ontario
Municipal Board hearing that was held during the summer of
1994.
We have also created two overlay designations, the first
of these was the Environmental Protection Two overlay
designation. This designation applies to lands which are
not considered as significant as the Environmental
Protection One lands that were previously discussed,
however they are still considered to be sensitive to
development. Potentially what this designation means is
that when any development is proposed in it or near it
there is a requirement to do an Environmental Impact Study
to determine what impacts that development will have on
the environmental feature.
The other overlay designation is the Ground Water Recharge
Area designation. This applies to an area that's been
identifies primarily on top of the Oro Moraine as being a
ground water recharge area. Its intended again that if
development is proposed in this area that a
Hydrogeological Assessment be completed which looks at the
impact of whatever development is proposed on the Ground
Water Recharge function of this area.
Land use designations specific to the Horseshoe Valley
Resort, the Sugarbush settlement area and a subdivision in
Lots 2 and 3, Concession 9 or Oro are contained in this
section of the Plan.
That is a very quick wrap through of about 100 pages of
text, and I would like to now finish my presentation, and
turn it back to the Mayor, and then we could take the
questions and I could clarify anything that I have
discussed this morning or clarify any of the points that
have been raised as part of the Official Plan and we can
go from there. Thank You.
Mayor Beard:
Madame Clerk, do we have a list of deputations?
Clerk:
No Mr. Mayor, we don't have a list but the individuals who
wish to make comments have selected a number, and we will
go through those people one at a time.
Nick McDonald:
I guess on that basis number one is where we start.
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Mayor Beard:
As you come forward state your name as we are recording
this.
Gary Cunnington:
Good morning Mr. Mayor and members of Council, my name is
Gary Cunnington. I am here on behalf of Horseshoe Resort.
I would like to begin this morning by congratulating
Council and members of staff on the openness of the
process you have gone through the preparation of this
draft and for the many opportunities you have afforded us
to come forward with our comments and concerns. We feel
the plan is well prepared, well intentioned and will be a
valuable document as the Municipality heads off into who
knows what in the next century.
However, and I am sure you hear this often, Horseshoe does
have some concerns with respect to this particular
document. I will limit today, very briefly what our
concerns are. We have concerns with the issue of equity
and everyone being on the same playing field with respect
to development. We are looking for some clarification of
certain sections as they relate to studies and servicing
required of the resort lands. We are looking, or we have
some concerns with respect to some of the wording of the
specific definitions of designations, which have been
applied to resort lands, and we also have some minor
concerns with respect to the mapping of the nodes in that
not all of the resort lands are within the map, and some
lands that are shown within the map are privately owned.
Some of these concerns have been expressed in previous
presentations, and some are specific to this draft of your
plan. As in the past we have put our comments in the form
of a written presentation which I will leave with members
of your staff on my way out. We would request that if
Council requires any clarification or anything in
question that we would make ourselves available for any
further meetings, and we look forward to resolving these
issues before you finalize and adopt your plan. Thank you
Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Beard:
Okay, next we have number two.
Nick McDonald:
Number two. If there is no number two, then we will go to
number three. If there is no number three, then we will
go to number four. Number five.
Mayor Beard:
If anybody hasn't picked up a number, perhaps they had
better grab one.
Hartley Woodside:
Mr. Mayor and Council, my name is Hartley Woodside. I
live at R. R. #2 Oro Station and I am speaking on behalf
of the coalition of ratepayers from the Horseshoe Valley
Area. We include the Horseshoe Valley Ratepayers
Association, Indian Park Ratepayers Association, Jarratt-
Coulson Ratepayers Association and Rowanwood Conservers
Society. This coalition came together after the series of
Municipal Board hearings in the early 90's. Highlight of
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the frustration of many Township residents with the way
this part of the Township was being changed. Little
concern was being paid to significant environmental
concerns including water and wetlands to the impact of
development on infrastructure including the capacity and
safety of the Horseshoe Valley Road and preserving the
essentially rural nature of the area in which we live. We
were concerned that the interests of the residents were
being ignored in the rush to develop. Against this
background of frustration we would like to express our
appreciation of the open process pursued by this council
in this Official Plan. We believe a significant effort
has been made to listen to the people of Oro-Medonte who's
lives will be affected by this plan and to reflect their
concerns in the content of the plan. It is therefore in
the spirit of co-operation that we, the coalition offer
these concerns with respect to the draft plan of November
3, 1996.
In the vision statement, the Oro Moraine is recognized as
the heart of the natural heritage system of the Oro
Moraine, sorry, Oro-Medonte, and to Councils great credit
there is much in this document that seeks to protect the
physical and functional integrity of this moraine. It's
role in ground water purification and recharge through
wetlands to streams and lakes has been underscored. The
moraine however is also a repository of aggregate and good
water and it has been and will continue to be under
pressure for mining and export of these resources.
Understanding that these are largely areas of Provincial
control, we believe Council should none the less take the
following steps:
Make a commitment in the Official Plan to pursue the
Province to declare this moraine as being Provincially
significant. The cynics amongst us might say, "so what",
we feel however that every available effort will be
necessary to resist the future extraction demands and that
right now the balance is tilted entirely towards resource
extraction. Any protection that can be offered, should be
offered. The protection of the Oro Moraine would be a
worthy achievement for this Council, and an achievement
worth remembering.
To plan the Official Plan, Councils opposition to
expanding the area zoned for aggregate extraction,
particularly within the Oro Moraine. Hundreds of acres of
Oro land are already committed to future quarries in
addition to the many that already exist, enough is enough.
Declared in the Official Plan, Councils opposition to the
extraction for sale of the water from under Oro-Medonte.
Work with other Townships who feel similarly about the
sale of water to try and influence the Province on this
matter.
We have a number of smaller concerns, some of which I will
quickly detail and all of which will appear on a letter to
Council, to be submitted this week or next week. In
addition Ernie Dryden will speak to several planning
related concerns on behalf of the coalition.
In Section E 2.4 under road improvements, this is in the
Horseshoe Valley Special Policy Area, we applaud the
effort of Council to tie development to road improvement
and we believe that more orderly growth within the
Township will be the product. It is increasingly clear
that the Horseshoe Valley Node is likely to be subject to
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tremendous growth in the near future, and we believe there
needs to be improved North/South provisions as well as
improvements to the Horseshoe Valley Road itself. We
would suggest therefore that one solution would be to pave
and maintain the 4th Line, South of Horseshoe Highlands at
least as far as the Bass Lake Sideroad as far as the 3rd.
Or some similar device which would allow the movement of
vehicles away from the Horseshoe Valley Resort and off the
Horseshoe Valley Road. Sideroad, and the Bass Lake
In E 2.7, we would like to see, this is the residential
designation in the Horseshoe Valley Special Policy Area,
we would like to see the addition of home occupation to
the list of permitted uses. This was discussed with Nick
McDonald and apparently doesn't represent a problem.
In E 27.12 through E 27.14 we understand from Mr. McDonald
that the language in all cases will reflect precisely the
language of the Official Plan Amendment 39 of the previous
Oro Official Plan, including in E 27.14 precise reference
to Site Plan.
Finally in E 9, we would like to see the methods of
notification for an Official Plan Amendment, that is
posting the property, mailing to neighbours, and notice in
three area newspapers enshrined in the Official Plan
itself.
And that is the end of my presentation, Thank you.
Nick McDonald:
Number 6
Ernie Dryden:
My name is Ernie Dryden, 67 Cathedral Pines in Horseshoe
Valley. Mr. Mayor and members of Council, on behalf of the
Horseshoe Valley Road Coalition, I would like to raise
matters pertaining to the Horseshoe Valley Road Special
Policy Area. The first is in reference, on page 58 and 59
E 2.3, we commend the Township for the work that has been
done in developing this particular policy, we think it is
novel and creative. It goes a long way to protect the
Horseshoe Valley Road from strip development. Mr.
McDonald, however, has advised us that it may be in
everyone's best interest to add wording to the Official
Plan to set the specific procedure that will be required
if Council receives an application for either development
in a buffer zone or an expansion of the boundaries of the
development node. We understand that any new commercial,
industrial or institutional uses will not be permitted in
a buffer zone, unless there is an amendment to the
Official Plan, as well as a comprehensive review of the
need for additional development in the whole of the
Horseshoe Valley Road Special Policy Area. We would
appreciate Councils confirmation of our understanding of
this procedural requirement, and also we would ask for
wording in the Official Plan which would clarify this
understanding. That is our first request.
Secondly, on page 64 of your E 2.8.1.2, prior to the
approval of the Horseshoe Valley Village, the Official
Plan calls for a comprehensive development plan to be
prepared which will apply to all the lands within the
Village. Such development will have a significant impact
on the community which we believe is beneficial if it is
done properly. However, in the sense of good
communications we believe there should be a public meeting
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for Township residents to give their input to such a plan
if they so desire, prior to its approval by Council. We
would ask that such a meeting be confirmed in the Official
Plan with public notification being in the same manner as
for an Official Plan Amendment.
Thirdly, on page 66 reference C 2.8.3, in the Horseshoe
Valley low density residential designation the draft plan
raises the number of units per gross hectare from 7 to 10.
We are concerned this increase will have serious impact on
the community, on its infrastructure and specifically on
the traffic on Horseshoe Valley Road. We would ask
council to consider this proposal very carefully, before
any such drastic change is made we believe there must be
an Official Plan Amendment and accordingly the units per
gross hectare should remain the same as they are now,
which we understand is seven.
We would also like confirmation under the B 2.8.4, page
67, this is under the Horseshoe Valley Medium Density
Residential, and our understanding is the existing zoning
requires no more than 30 units and that is what is
specified in the Official Plan, we would just like to make
sure that it is the same number. Thank you.
Nick McDonald:
I would like to, if you don't mind Ernie, can I just
respond to a couple of the comments that you made if you
don't mind.
Ernie Dryden:
Will I sit down?
Nick McDonald:
No you can stand up if you like. It is just a question of
clarification so that the Council and everyone here is
aware of your position, and particularly with respect to
the conditions under which an expansion of a node will be
considered. Is it the Horseshoe Valley Ratepayers
Coalition position that there should be something in the
Official Plan that specifies exactly under what conditions
expansions will be considered. The reason I am asking that
is because we had our meeting on Monday and you expressed
a desire for there not to be anything in the Official Plan
that dealt with this issue, and I would like to have that
clarified for Council.
Ernie Dryden:
Well, we of course would like to see no wording, if there
is no wording then the buffer will remain the way it is,
we are talking about the lands in between the development
nodes, but again, Nick has indicated that there is some
need to put words in if you do receive an application, so
that it will require a very significant review before any
change takes place. I guess we, our concern as lay
people, is that if you say there will be no development,
were talking residential or I'm sorry commercial,
industrial and institutional, if you say there will be
none and then you have another paragraph saying but if you
do get a application, it looks like you are inviting
people to come forward. Nick I think we have to depend on
you and Council to give us the best advise to protect this
concept which has been one of the great thorns in the side
of everyone as a result of you know, the Council, the Oro
Councils decision to really put the future growth of
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residential development along the Horseshoe Valley Road.
So I have to put it back to you people, I'm sure you will
do it well.
Nick McDonald:
The only other comment I would like to make, if you don't
mind, Mr. Mayor is with respect to the public process and
the Comprehensive Development Plan that was specified in
the Plan. The majority of the lands, or some of the lands
within the Horseshoe Valley Village designation are not
zoned right now for the types of uses that are provided
for in the designation itself, and I can tell you that
there will be a need for the resort to come into the
Township with an application for rezoning for some of
those land. There will be a requirement as part of that
application process to hold a public meeting, and the way
that this plan is set up in terms of going forward with
the Village, there is a need for the Resort Corporation to
come into the Municipality with the Comprehensive
Development Plan before any public meetings are held. This
work has to be done, Council has to be relatively
satisfied with it, then there will be a public meeting
requirement under the Zoning By-law. In addition, if
there are any applications for Plan of Subdivision within
this area, there may be, there will also be a requirement
for a public meeting under that process, under the
Planning Act. So there will be opportunities for public
input before Horseshoe Valley Resort Corporation can
proceed with development in their village. I just wanted
to clarify that for members of Council and the public.
Ernie Dryden:
I'm going to respond. Nick I guess what we are looking at
that this Comprehensive Review would encompass the whole
of that Village.
Nick McDonald:
That is correct.
Ernie Dryden:
I think I hear you saying that it would be done maybe in
pieces, I think it would be appropriate if there is an
overall plan, you know, if there could be a public meeting
and public input, so that everybody, in the sense of good
communication understands what's happening. I know
Horseshoe and I commend the idea and a major thought with
respect to raising the road, and that will have a very
large impact on this village and of course make the road a
lot safer. So that's what we are looking for, good
communication so we know what's going on, and that's all I
have to say.
Nick McDonald:
Number six, or sorry that was number six, number seven.
Ron Suwala:
Good morning, my name is Suwala. We spoke with Mr.
McDonald in connection with the Horseshoe Valley "Special
Policy Area". The boundary lines, we query where one
section of the line went, and that was involving our piece
of property which is 100 acres. We ask for it to be
relocated and Mr. McDonald indicated that he did not think
there would be a problem, with his okaying that relocation
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line. We have sent in a request in writing which was
submitted this morning and I am not familiar with the
process. I am a lay person, and I would just like to know
where do we go from here? The Town reviews it I imagine,
if they accept Mr. McDonald's opinion as to relocate the
line that's fine if you see through to whatever decision
you have that you do not want to accept his endorsement of
the proposed new boundary how it is addressed in Council.
Do we have a chance to fight it or how does it go? That
really applies, that question really applies not just to
myself, but to anyone that's made an enquiry as to wanting
it changed or something.
Nick McDonald:
I'll deal with the general first, it's the intent that any
comments that are made today, or any written comments that
are submitted up to and including December 6th will be
considered by Council at a meeting sometime in December.
And from that meeting will be, there may be changes to the
Official Plan to reflect those concerns. Your role in the
process is to ensure that you leave your name and address
with someone here today so that you are formally notified
of the adoption of the Official Plan, and once you are
formally notified then it is your responsibility as a
ratepayer to look at that Official Plan and determine
whether your request has been considered in your favour or
not. If it is not to your satisfaction then you have
every opportunity to request that the Official Plan be
referred to the Ontario Municipal Board, and at that point
the Ministry of Municipal Affairs will consider your
request and send it over to the Ontario Municipal Board
for a hearing. That is a very long and lengthy process but
there are opportunities for you to object to what Council
decides as a relation to your property or as a relation to
any other general issue that may come up today or with
anybody else.
With respect to your specific concern, the issue so that
Council is aware, is Mr. Suwala's property is in Lot 2,
Con. 5 and it is located just to the South of Oro Hills
and Mr. Suwala's concern is that the special policy area
includes his property, and what he is asking for is that
the special policy area be scaled back so that it does not
include his property. The intent of the special policy
areas was potentially to ensure that expansion of the node
does not occur and to ensure that uses are not established
on Horseshoe Valley Road that would have an impact on the
character. That is basically the issue that Mr. Suwala is
raising. That's just for clarification, obviously we are
not going to make a decision on the matter today, but I
just wanted to make sure was aware of it. Thank you
Ron Suwala:
Could I continue?
Nick McDonald:
If you have something else.
Ron Suwala:
Okay, after saying that, could I count on you to revise
the plan that you have issued now to adopt my proposal and
then it really doesn't have to go forward to Council for
any approvals because they are going to come back to you,
I am assuming to adopt your recommendations, I believe
though that probably your recommendations of why that line
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went through that particular area, I don't know and I
guess only you know, so if you change that now, and then
forward that through I wouldn't have to go to the OMB or
anything else, and I know it is a costly and lengthy
process. If Council decides, because they are going to go
on your recommendation.
Nick McDonald:
Not always. This is a decision that Council has to make.
I indicated that I understand where you are coming from
and it is something I will bring up with Council.
Ron Suwala:
In other words you can't alter that prior to...
Nick McDonald:
No not today. No but its something that we will have to
discuss and we will take your submission into
consideration. Okay?
Ron Suwala:
Thank you.
Mayor Beard:
I think we have lots of (inaudible)
Nick McDonald:
Okay, next is number eight.
James Heal:
My name is James Heal, and I am here this morning to speak
on behalf of myself and my wife Catherine Heal, who is co-
owner of Lot 17, Con. 2 North. We want to speak in two
capacities. Firstly, Catherine Heal and James Heal are the
trustees and owners of the West half of Lot 18, Con. 2 and
I wish to deal with that first to discharge my duty as
trustee. We looked at the Official Plan draft and saw
that the boundary for Environmental Protection One had
encompassed the entire West half of Lot 18. This resulted
in the changing of the property because in the north-west
corner under the existing zoning, it is zoned
agricultural.
As I mentioned in a letter that we wrote jointly, we have
discussed with the assessment department some years ago
the basis of assessment relating to that lot, and we were
informed that it was assessed on the basis that part of it
was Environmental Protection and part of it was in effect
a lot, and in that capacity they had arrived at an
assessment figure. We have paid taxes through those many
years as trustees to preserve that situation. With
respect to Lot 18, West half, we are asking that the
designation be reverted to the existing designation. This
matter was raised with your Officials and the matter is
being looked into by them, and they have been very
helpful, and I thank them for their time and helpful
suggestions.
I want to speak now with respect to Lot 17, Con. 2 which
is owned by myself and my wife jointly. With respect to
this lot the Environmental Protection designation One has
been extended to encroach again upon portions which under
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the existing Official Plan are designated agricultural.
Again with respect to Lot 17, we are asking that the
designation of Environmental Protection not be increased
in the way that it has, but in reviewing this matter with
others who are more knowledgeable than I, we have found
that under the Official Plan draft, the new Official Plan,
the provisions have been inserted which would prohibit
development and that word as I understand it is
interpreted broadly. To prohibit development within a
hardened 20 meters of the boundary of the designation
Environmental Protection One. This produces a very
interesting situation in my terms because my house is
right in the middle of what would be Environmental
Protection One, even under the old system. In my view,
its my submission, and we will have our experts assist us
on this, that the Environmental Protection One, even under
the old plan was not going in the correct place. This is a
technical matter and I merely raise it so that Mr. Mayor
and Council, you will have a feeling for the nature of the
objection that we have both as trustees and in our own
capacity as owners of Lot 17. Finally, I just want to
mention that my son has brought to my attention that the
bDundaries of Environmental Protection One and Protectio~
Two are recognized as being imprecise and subject to
change in this new document and I take some comfort that
the Township shall determine the extent of the
environmental areas, in consultation with the Ministry of
Natural Resources and the Nottawasaga Valley Conservation
Authority. I am raising this matter orally with you to
place our concerns on record. We have written two letters,
one which was read this morning. The second one may have
been mistaken as merely a copy of the first, but the
second letter dealt with our own property, the first
letter dealt with our responsibilities as trustees. Thank
you.
Nick McDonald:
I could very quickly respond in that you are quite
correct. There is a policy in the Official Plan that
essentially states that the boundaries of the
Environmental Protection designations are imprecise. The
reason for that is because we based the mapping of these
areas solely on information that's provided to us by the
Ministry of Natural Resources. Some of this mapping may be
out of date, and I have undertaken steps to contact the
Ministry of Natural Resources to ensure that they are
aware of your particular situation and the location of the
appropriate line on your property and will see if we can
resolve this. Thank you.
Number nine.
Tim Crooks:
My name is Tim Crooks, and speaking on behalf of the North
Simcoe Environmental Watch. We are very pleased with this
process and we have given prior submissions and we are
very pleased that you have taken them all into
consideration. I just have a couple of questions about
the latest draft. Section A 2.4.1 Principles. We refer to
the last paragraph in this section. This is a new
paragraph and we have three questions about this
paragraph. The paragraph reads as follows: "Lands adjacent
to the cities of Barrie and Orillia shall be protected
from incompatible development to ensure that the expansion
of the urban service areas in the future is cost effective
and efficient." First question, You refer to the
expansion, we don't understand what expansion you are
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referring to. Second question, we don't understand your
meaning of the term urban service area and we would like
to know where this urban service area is located. Is it in
Barrie or is it on the restricted rural part? The third
question is, we don't understand the meaning of cost
effective and efficient. What is the cost effective and
efficient analysis going to be applied against? Who
decides what is cost effective and efficient? Basically,
it sounds as if there is some sort of project which is
waiting in the wings to be evaluated. Could you clarify
all this right now?
Nick McDonald:
Sure, I certainly can. Yes, you are correct that this
policy was added to the Official Plan. We developed a .
designation called a restricted rural designation. Just so
that you know it's this yellow area outside of Barrie and
also the yellow area outside of the City of Orillia. There
is two reasons why we identify these lands as being within
the restricted rural designation. The first is to ensure
that there is a clear separation between the urban area
and the rural area, so that you know you are going into
Oro-Medonte and you know you are not going into something
that looks like Bayfield Street. So I mean there has to
be a clear line what is urban and what is rural. We have
created this designation to ensure that only agricultural
uses are permitted in this area. The second reason is
because, in the future, we don't know when, there may be a
need for the City of Barrie or the City of Orillia to
expand. I don't know of any plan for this at this point,
but generally speaking lands around a urban serviced area
should be protected from development which may be
incompatible with an expansion of the City in the future
because if you allow for the parcelization or
fragmentation of those lands it is much more costly and
uneconomical for those lands to be utilized for urban
purposes in the future. Now this is just a protective
mechanism to ensure that that type of situation doesn't
come out in the future. I can advise you that the City of
Barrie has enough land to keep it happy for a considerable
number of years. On the other hand, every other
municipality around the City of Barrie has identified an
area that is either between one kilometre or two
kilometres wide from the City in which incompatible
development is not to be permitted in case there is ever a
need for the City of Barrie to expand in those areas. So
that is why this paragraph was inserted. Does that
clarify?
Tim Crooks:
It might be worthwhile maybe to clarify just to define
what you mean by urban service area.
Nick McDonald:
Urban service area means something on full sewer and water
services.
Tim Crooks:
My last questions are referring to section F,
Environmental Protection Two. F 1.2 Location and
Definition. We are pleased to see that you routed any
valuated wetland to the Environmental Protection Two
areas, but we would like to know why you removed the
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fisheries and aquatic habitat areas, that was in the
previous version of this
Nick McDonald:
The fisheries and aquatic habitat areas are to be
considered within the Environmental Protection One
designation. All, it is proposed that all valley corridors
be placed within an Environmental Protection zone in the
implementing Zoning By-law. So, that will take care of all
the fisheries and aquatics.
Tim Crooks:
And the second one, F 1.4.2. On the previous draft you
included the definition of adjacent lands to include all
else within 30 metres from the top of any bank or stream.
Nick McDonald:
That is also to be included.
Tim Crooks:
Thank you
Nick McDonald:
Number Ten.
Ron Watkin:
My name is Ron Watkin and I am a Planning Consultant with
Ainley & Associates and we represent Nova Continental
Canada Development Corporation who are the owners of a
parcel of land in the hamlet of Guthrie, described as the
Westerly halves of Lot 21 and 22, Concession 5. These
lands are the lands immediately adjacent and to the east
of the Winful development properties in Guthrie and we
noted on the proposed Draft Official Plan that the lands
are presently shown and designated as agricultural. Our
client has intentions to proceed with a, hopefully with a
commercial development on these lands and we just are
basically advising you and putting it on record today. I
have a letter here which I will submit to the Clerk. We
will be proceeding with a development application to the
Township of Oro-Medonte and hopefully we will be
requesting a delegation to appear before the Planning
Advisory Committee. That is all I really have to say
today, just simply to advise you that we are proceeding
and to have it on the record today.
Nick McDonald:
Number Eleven, does anyone have number eleven?
twelve..... Fifteen.
Number
Donald Hanney:
Good morning Mayor Beard, Councillors, Ladies, Nick and
staff. Ian, it is good to see you looking so dapper and I
commend your barber. My name is Donald Patrick Hanney,
owner of Burl's Creek Family Event Park and Barrie
Speedway Park on the 8th Concession of Oro.
I am here today as a concerned citizen and under no other
capacity. I do believe that your Official Plan Draft has
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a lot of m~rit an~ should encourage controlled growth in
~ur"t?wnshlp. ThlS Plan can only succeed if the word
no lS dropped from the vocabulary of the Council and
s~af~ and replaced with a work together attitude towards
flndlng a m~tual solution to any situations which will
create a,P?lnt that we will all prosper. However sir,
your Offlclal Plan draft leaves some grey areas and I
know you w?uld feel that way. I figure you should
addre~s prlor to ratifying this document, I have spoken
to thls group before on the lack of guidance for service
roads. Nick and I have an ongoing rapport on service
roads along the number 11 and 400 corridors. History
tells you of the fiascoes that the golden mile in
Toronto, the Queen Elizabeth corridor and closer to home
the Bayfield strip. Please, delineate on the maps future
services roads on both sides of the highway. Make the
road allowance a condition for rezoning. The number 11
highway in my live time will be a limited access
thoroughfare. Let us not wait until this happens and
then go into all the legalities to make it that.
Secondly, please do not contaminate the open space around
the airport in order to make it a profit centre. It will
require major expansion for crash runways, taxi ways,
larger open and closed parking areas for both planes and
vehicles. Establish now a proper area around the airport
flight paths, a mile or more would be a hell of a good
start. In closing Mr. Mayor and Council, do not spend
too much time and effort on trying to maintain a one mile
buffer strip of agricultural land next to our city
neighbours. It is a waste of your time and energy.
Previous Councils of townships abutting large cities have
failed. It is my firm belief that if and when the City
of Barrie and our senior government decide to add a
portion of Oro-Medonte to Barrie, it will be out to the
9th concession or beyond. It will be up to the number 22
road. We will not, they will not diddle around with a
couple of miles. They will create a regiona~ a~ea of
Barrie. They will create one for one for Orlllla and
another one for Midland. Lord knows where to hell we
will be by then. This restructuring as all of us can
see, is inevitable. Things are too costly the way they
are today. Thank you again for this opportunity to
speak. Keep up the good work of the open doors. Thank
you.
Nick McDonald:
Next, number sixteen. Does anyone have sixteen?
Seventeen? Eighteen?
Michael Vaughan:
My name is Michael Vaughan and I was,the soli7itor
awhile for the Township of Oro back In the 70 s,so
a pleasure to be here again today. I am appearlng
Mr Piil with respect to his land in Lots 19, 20,
Co~cession 2, Orillia. I am speaking about the change of
course that occurred in the November draf~ from the
August draft plan and my request to you wlll be that ~ou
restore the provision that was in the August draft. ,e
have all heard a letter, the first l~tter read âU~tt~~s
morning from Mr. Bean, one of the nelghbours an ,l Mr
sort of the old story, he and others, want m~ cll~ntt .
Piil to continue to provide his land for thelr prlva, e ,
park at his expense into the foreseeable future and ~t lS
my submission to you that it would be wrong and ~nfalr to
Mr. Piil and would represent the prudent and unw~se
planning. I want to go into this if I could a Ilttle
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The November 30th plan, the draft is only a draft but it
does reverse a policy that has been in effect for some
time and it has been in effect for the last 46 years and
for the last 46 years it has been contemplated one way or
another that Mr. Piil's land would be developed for
residential purposes and in light of the change of the
November draft, Mr. Piil has retained me as his legal
counsel and he of course continues to retain his planners
and others. When I say 46 years, let me explain. The
subdivision to the south of Mr. Piil's land was
developed, I understand in about the 1950's and that
subdivision contains 7 of the normal 30 foot wide strips
that go off and down and those 30 foot wide strip lots,
the purpose of those is clear to everyone, clear to
people who buy, everyone knows what they are for and what
they are approved for. They are approved of course to
provide access by the inland lands to the water and when
the Ministry of Municipal Affairs approved the draft plan
back in the 1950's it was in contemplation that the land
behind, which is Mr. Piil's land, would in the bonus of
time be developed and this was the strips, was set aside,
as they are everywhere in contemplation of that. Now,
any purchaser of the lands south of Mr. Piil's land would
know that and either they would or they wouldn't, if they
didn't, you wonder what they were thinking of when they
bought there. I mean, the strips are fairly obvious.
The Minister signed that plan of subdivision for the
lands south of Mr. Piil's land way back on the 6th of
September, 1950 and that was 46 years ago. So it has
been clear since then that the Ministry has contemplated
that the land be developed, Mr. Piil's land be developed
and indeed Mr. Piil's wives family purchased in that
subdivision and have lived there for 20 years, that is
the Coles. Mr. Piil purchased his property in 1979 and
with it came title to the seven strip lots. He also
bought an additional lot. Now when he bought his land,
there was an unregistered plan on the land for 100 lots,
that is not a legal plan of subdivision, it is just there
when he bought it but he bought it because it was clear
that it was going to be developed and that it was
contemplated that it be developed. Now, nothing much
happened for some years but in 1989 the Township of
Orillia began to prepare its new Official Plan and that
Plan was adopted after all the appropriate processes in
1991 and it contained a Shoreline Residential designation
on Mr. Piil's land. Now that approval was a commitment
both by the Township and by the Province which approved
it and that his land, which had been contemplated for
development since the 50's was now ready for a specific
development proposal. Now, back in the early 90's Mr.
Piil was looking at about a 89 lot subdivision but when
he did the technical analysis, the drainage and water and
so on, it emerged that an appropriate number was a
smaller number of lots and that would enable him to
produce a higher quality of development and retain a
greater extent the woodlands character of the lands. So,
he reduced the number of lots to 62 residential lots and
he made the subdivision and rezoning application back in
March of 1995, 21 months ago and he and his wife have
planted over 1,000 trees and bushes on the lands since
they purchased. You can see those from the road. So what
then happened was a sort of a little bit of confusion
earlier this year and this Council, this Council adopted
by vote of five to one an Official Plan Amendment,
Official Plan Amendment Number 79 on June 19th of this
year that removed what some people considered to be a
technical impediment to the Shoreline Residential
development, thus confirming this Council's position that
the land should be developed for Shoreline Residential
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purposes. Now, Mr. Beame and others have appealed that
to the Board and we will see how that ends up. But after
a substantial amount of planning work conducted on behalf
of the Township, the Township's consultants produced the
August Draft of the proposed Official Plan and that draft
again continued the long standing Township and Provincial
policy that Mr. Piil's land should be designated for
Shoreline Residential purposes and then we came to the
November Draft which removed that designation and
replaced it with Restricted Rural. That came as a great
s~rprise. The Shoreline Residential designation in the
August Draft is based not only on many years of policy
but also based on a harsh consideration of the relevant
planning issues, including some of the following. The
first instance, there is no substantial, physical
constraint to developing the land, the second is that
there is no fundamental policy constraints to develop any
of the land either as set out in the proposed policies of
the Official Plan or otherwise. The third is there is no
substantial environmental constraints with respect to the
proposed development. The fourth is that the
environmental amenities, that is the woodland character
of the site would be reinforced and protected by
development, rather than destroyed. The proposed
designation of Restricted Rural contemplates agricultural
use of course. The next planning consideration is that
the development is consistent with the pattern of
development that extends west along the shore all the way
down to Shanty Bay and it is consistent with the
character of the area that evolved on that shore
basically and there are lots on both sides of the road of
the several roads. The sixth reason is that any other
use of the land other than residential such as
agriculture might lead to a destruction of its woodland
character and destroy the vary environmental value and
character of the site that some of the neighbours are
concerned about. It is pretty hard to grow crops on
lands at the same time as they are covered with trees. I
think it is fair to say that the August Draft Plan that
you had and that was prepared for you was based on
planning considerations and based on planning merits and
we would ask you to return to that and what is in our
minds is that was it planning considerations that led to
the proposed change in the November Draft. Was it
planning considerations or considerations of perhaps not
of a planning nature? Was the November Draft based on a
planning analysis and a clear planning recommendation
made to you from your consultant or did it emerge
otherwise? Now, this Township is of course, not immune
as is no government from the Not In My Back Yard
Syndrome. There are always those, where ever you go, who
do not want more development in their area and
particularly perhaps in this location where Mr. Piil's
land has been used by some of the neighbours, the
seasonal or otherwise as a dog run or a ATV trail,
parking boats, cars for guests, running garbage on and
so, it has been used as their land, in a way, for many
years. Some of them are opposing development on that land
and I suppose that in the past if others had opposed
development then they wouldn't be there and we have to
find a place for the people of the future, for our
children, and so on. It is not as if they are ignorant
or stupid people, they knew or ought to have known when
they bought there in the first place that the 30 foot
strips were there for a reason, they were not there to
provide narrow lots for people to build on, they were
there for the clear and only reason of providing access
to development on the other side of the road and as I
have said, that policy has been in effect since the 50's,
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it was confirmed by the Orillia Plan in 1991 and that
Plan, I gather there was some discussion that Orillia did
not observe the laws of the Province in preparing that
Plan, my information is that it was processed completely
in accordance with the law with proper public notice,
public meetings were held and if anyone kind of doubts
that, it is open to them to go to Court and seek to set
it aside. You can't kind of come and say I want another
run at it outside the law.
The difficulty with it of course, one of the difficulties
with the provisions in the November Draft is that it
contemplates one home on Mr. Piil's 63 acres, one home
and sort of agricultural use and now, if you have been by
the land or the land, you would know it is not suitable
for agricultural purposes. It is cut off, the topography
is unsuitable, it is just not good agricultural land, it
is fragmented, it is largely wooded, to say that it
should be agricultural land is to really say that it
should be sterilized and not used at all and I think that
is really what some of the neighbours want, they don't
want it to be used, they want the trees to stay and be
able to park their boats and take their dogs out. If
that is their objective, that is a perfectly legitimate
objective, but they should be coming to you and asking
you to buy it or expropriate it. They should not be
coming to you to ask you to force Mr. Piil to, or to
freeze it and force Mr. Piil to maintain it and pay taxes
on it and insurance on it into the foreseeable future.
One of the things that is characteristic of the Township
and of the shore is the pattern of development up and
down the shore and this designation in the Official Plan
just continues that character forward. I mean, there are
lots on both sides of the roads and generally speaking,
and that is typical and appropriate and it is suitable
form of development and with the large lots proposed, the
woodland character of area can be and should be
preserved. Now, you know assuming you could use Mr.
Piil's land for agriculture, you wonder what kind in
light of the agricultural code of practice, I mean what
types of agricultural uses could be permitted on that
land having in mind that it is a narrow strip close to
distant houses and I want to put this position to you and
make it fairly clear that when Council is exercising a
planning power, of course it must do so in the public
interest, but it has to do it based on planning
considerations and if one freezes a persons lands from
any economic use whatsoever, that is a questionable use
of the planning power and I hope we do not get into that.
I think that to continue with the August Draft would
represent a continuation of the long standing policy. It
would be behaving in good faith to everybody. It would
avoid the possibility of an abuse of process or avoid the
possibility of being discriminatory or confiscatory
towards one owner and would just continue things on the
way they are. And now, there is another policy that I
think I should refer to that is in the November Draft and
that also has a difficulty and that is the requirement
that all shoreline residential lots have actual frontage
on the water. Now, that would mean that an awful lot of
lots would become non-conforming when it comes to the
Official Plan provisions. That is, there are hundreds of
back lots, hundreds of lots that don't have frontage on
the shore that are Shoreline Residential lots. They
become second class lots and serious questions would
arise as to whether any public works could be
constructed. The Planning Act prohibits the construction
of public works by any public authority that don't
conform to the Official Plan, so things like roads and
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schools and hydro services and clear cuts, questions
would arise about that and people would appeal their
assessments in the long run policy of the Plan, as with
all Plans is that non-conforming uses should cease to
exist and the people with all these sort of back lots,
you know they wouldn't be able to go to the Committee of
Adjustment for minor variances because the Official Plan,
that application wouldn't conform to the intent of the
Official Plan, the intent of which would be that they
would cease to exist and so their lots along with Mr.
Piil's would be devalued and one wonders if they have
been notified if that has been disclosed to them because
they should be here talking to you if they knew about it.
Now, Mr. Piil is in the position of having a development
application in process. As I said, he made the
application twenty-one months ago. He has spent over
$60,000.00 with planning work, filing fees and so on and
so forth. There are millions of dollars at stake for
him and he has relied in good faith on the long standing
commitment and policies relating to designation of this
Plan. These are not the 80's anymore and land
development is a serious and expensive business and there
are rules and protocols and principles involved and I
don't think he would want to kneecap somebody at this
point in the process and their don't appear to be any
technical problems on any front from any authority having
jurisdiction with respect to the development apart from
the fact, that some neighbours, as is always the case,
would not welcome the change and this is not the case of
some new developer coming along and wanting a change in
the Official Plan or Zoning Bylaw. It is a case where
developers owned the land for years, almost 20 years and
is carrying out and implementing an existing, long
standing plan of the municipality. An Official Plan
approved by the Township of Orillia and by the Ministry
and confirmed by this Council. A person is entitled to
rely on and make business plans based on Official Plans
that are in effect. I would hope that you would not
yield to the request that you sort of arbitrarily,
without sound and compelling planning reasons, change the
rules mid-stream because the consequences would be to
cause millions of dollars in damage to an individual and
that would lead clearly to difficulties, difficulties not
only for him but for others. The Rural designation, if
it is continued, the Restricted Rural designation in the
November draft, you have your planner and he is in a
difficult position because he has put forth the August
draft. He comes to the OMB in support of the August
draft and then he is also the planner for the Township on
the November draft which is exactly the opposite of the
August draft and you know, one would relish that kind of
cross-examination and, normally what a municipality has
to do in those circumstances is retain an outside
planning consultant to defend, you know, their position
that is inconsistent with their own. This is expensive
and messy and completely unnecessary. I know that
Council's ears are open and minds are open and the
November draft is just a draft and we are just urging
that careful and full consideration be given to the
issues that we have raised and that the designation in
the August draft be continued and those who object to it,
the neighbours that object to it they will have a full
opportunity at the OMB in due course to voice their
objections.
Thank you for listening to me and it is a pleasure to be
here. I have copies which are summaries of my remarks
which I will leave with you.
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Nick McDonald:
I feel that I have to respond to some extent. I don't
want to be cross-examined at this point in time but, I
feel that I have to respond.
There was planning basis for designating the land in the
November 3rd draft. The August 6tn draft reflected a
situation in which Council has enforced the passage of a
technical amendment, that was the feeling of the day.
Since that August draft was prepared, Council has given
some additional thoughts to the appropriateness of the
designation, and certainly they asked for my opinion.
There are a number of objectives in the Official Plan
that we are trying to uphold throughout the municipality
and one of those objectives is to try to direct growth in
settlement areas where ever possible. One of the other
objectives is to ensure that problems are not created
with respect to back lot development and the access to
water considerations that evolve from that and there is
also issues with respect to the character of the
shoreline area. So Council thought about it very, very
seriously. In terms of an approach, I think Council has
looked at the entire shoreline and has certainly
understood that there is a lot of development already
there and exists, but in terms of where new development
will occur, this Council has very strong feelings that
new development along the shoreline should be of a single
tier nature having direct frontage on the water. Any of
those access concerns then fall by the wayside, given
that there are very limited areas along the shoreline
that are suitable for that purpose, only a minor impact
on the character of the shoreline will occur as a result.
The other thing that Council feel very strongly is the
fact that there is already a huge supply of lots already
in the Township in various stages of approval and quite
frankly, we looked at the development being proposed on
your clients land as we would any other property in the
municipality and we adopted a consistent approach and the
approach has been that given the supply, there is no need
to designate land for these purposes at this time. So, I
had to explain to you that yes there was a planning
rational for coming out in the November draft and it
wasn't something that just came out of the blue.
Mayor Beard:
(Inaudible)
Michael Vaughan:
I take it Mr. Mayor that you do not wish me to commence
my cross-examination of Mr. McDonald.
Mayor Beard:
(Inaudible)
Michael Vaughan:
Thank you Mr. Mayor and members of Council I do
appreciate the opportunity of presenting our case here
and of doing so later in writing and it is the first time
I have had an opportunity to speak on this issue and we
look forward to a reasonable resolve.
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Nick McDonald:
Number nineteen?
Matthew Clarke:
Good morning, my name in Matthew Clarke and I live on the
4 th Concession of Medonte. (Inaudible) to change the
zoning for Camp Hillsdale to accommodate the opening of a
privatized camp for young offenders. If this is the case
the neighbours of Camp Hillsdale do not want young
offenders in our back yard and it has been reported or
printed in the papers that Mr. McLean is in favour of
opening of Camp Hillsdale...
Tim Crawford:
The notion was presented today that we would likely have
about 10,000 additional citizens in Oro in the next ten
years. That is a significant number. With those 10,000,
of those 10,000, there would perhaps be 1,000 or 2,000 or
more elementary school children and therefore, whether or
not it would be in the Plan or a planning procedure, it
would seem obvious that we need a mega-elementary school
in the Hawkestone area and another mega-elementary school
up in Horseshoe Valley area, perhaps that being a tourist
priority. In order to achieve such a thing, we need at
least 8 to 10 acres of land set aside in an appropriate
place for such a school and just as an aside, if rumors
are true, likely you will inherit in the next few years,
all the schools in Oro-MedonteTownship and be
responsible for building additional schools so it might
be in our own best interest to start planning now as to
where possible schools might go. Again, I am not so sure
it is an Official Plan issue, it is a planning procedure,
I just wanted to put it up front.
Mayor Beard:
Can we refuse the inheritance?
Tim Crawford:
I don't know. You might have to try to talk to the
Premier of the Province and by the way you will also
inherit our septic systems.
Nick McDonald:
The only comment that I can make is that the Public
School Board and the Separate School Board are being
consulted through this Official Plan process. They are
aware, as we are, of the number of units and lots that
are in the planning process and what is possible on land
that are already designated. As a municipality we, to a
large extent rely on them to advise us what their needs
are in terms of land for schools. That is the way the
system is set up at the current time. At this point,
they have not come back to us and advised that there is a
need for a school site to be identified in a formal way
through this Official Plan or due process.
Number 21 please. Number 22.
Bill Moore:
Yes, good morning Council, my name is Bill Moore and I
have approached Council awhile ago regarding turn arounds
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on Highway 11. I am trying to get some clarification,as
to the thoughts on it at this point and where everythlng
stood and the zoning to the properties that were effected
by a turnaround.
Nick McDonald:
Council have considered your request and basically agreed
with the submission that the turnarounds will be
designated industrial in the Official Plan.
Number 23.
Bob Drury:
Mr. Mayor, if I could just speak from here, everyone can
hear me. Through you to Nick, my name is Bob Drury, by
the way. Nick I am curious to know why you chose the
settlement area of Hawkestone and the justification of
it.
Nick McDonald:
Justification for identifying as a full service area?
Bob Drury:
Yes.
Nick McDonald:
Hawkestone has been identified as a growth area since
1978 when the Hawkestone Secondary Plan was completed.
There has been historically a considerable amount of
pressure and core development within Hawkestone. That
development has not occurred because of concerns over
private septic systems and the ability of the soils to
accommodate additional private septic systems in the area
and because of its location adjacent to Highway 11,
because of its density and because of existing problems
with existing servicing systems. Tt was thought that this
area would be an ideal candidate for a community on full
servicing. We certainly made contact with a number of the
land owners. Some owners are interested in the idea, some
of them are not but I think that any development in
Hawkestone would have to consider the long term impact of
development in that location, on the water quality of
Lake Simcoe and on the water quality of the peoples wells
in the area. So it seems to be a prudent approach to
take at this point.
Bob Drury:
What are the extent and the density of the proposed in
the Hawkestone area?
Nick McDonald:
That will be determined as part of a secondary plan
process that is required as part of the Official Plan
that will also be supported by an environmental study and
also a master servicing plan.
Bob Drury:
Are you aware that the peoples choice hasn't been asked
in the Hawkestone area to have fewer lots, lower density
and private services?
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Nick McDonald:
Yes I am, this is the appropriate process for people to
express those concerns.
Bob Drury:
Thank you.
Nick McDonald:
Number 24.
Bill Martin:
Good morning my name is Bill Martin and I am speaking on
behalf of getting proper Environmental Protection on my
farm property which is the north west corner of the Old
Barrie Road and the 2nd Concession up from Forest Home.
Originally MNR asked me to registered about 10 acres of
wet land, which I did and I subsequently added another 30
acres of woodland and some 5 acres of reforestation which
brings it right back to near the far corner of the farm.
On the Official Plan earlier this year, I noticed that
there is no environmental protection on it at all and I
checked with Mr. McDonald and drew his attention to the
40 acres that I had given an easement to Ontario Heritage
Foundation and I see that the environmental protection is
still only on the 10 acres of wetland. I would ask that
the other 30 acres of the woodland and the reforestation
be added.
Nick McDonald:
I misunderstood your request. I was certainly aware of
the 10 acres you were requesting to designate it and I
looked at the mapping that you provided to me and that
land has been designated. I wasn't aware that you were
looking to designate the rest of the 30 acres. Has the
land considered to be part of the wetland identified by
the Ministry of Natural Resources or is it just sort of
land that is adjacent to the wetland?
Bill Martin:
It is all woodland and reforestation and the Ontario
Heritage Foundation has an easement on it.
Nick McDonald:
Well, the best I can do is just tell you that I will look
into it and perhaps I can give you a call and we can talk
about it some more and about the actual extent.
Bill Martin:
I think I left the map with you from the Ontario Heritage
Foundations extent.
Nick McDonald:
I will look at it again and get back to you.
Number 25, 26, 27.
Thank you.
Andria Leigh:
I think the next one will be 100.
to go through all of them.
I just didn't want you
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Nick McDonald:
Thank you Andria. Okay 100 then. Do we have 100? 101,
102, 103. Is there anyone here who may have had a number
which wasn't called or who I called and they were not
present or anybody else here who would like to say
anything?
Hartley Woodside:
I am not sure this is appropriate but we will, the
Rowanwood Conserver Society will be sending a letter this
week. We just didn't get it prepared on time, but I am
assuming from what I hear that it is still appropriate.
Nick McDonald:
Okay, anyone else that would like to say anything about
this Official Plan?
Peter Harvey:
My name is Peter Harvey and I live up in Medonte. I was
asked to come here by a neighbour of mine, Mrs. Clarke
who is the present owner of the site Tianasty. We simply
want to know what the Township plans to do with known
archeological sites, particularly the Hurons?
Nick McDonald:
Generally speaking, all of the archeological sites are
currently registered with the Ministry of Culture &
Recreation and whatever they call themselves these days.
They are intended to be protected from development, i.e.
if there is development applications that infringes on
those lands then the Ministry would be consulted and they
would request that there be a study done to ensure or
identify the exact extent of that archeological site and
make sure that if development is to occur on it that it
is mitigated, i.e. that the artifacture taken away before
development occurs. However, given that it is in a rural
agricultural area, development in those areas are not
anticipated by this Official Plan because we are trying
to direct development to the rural settlement areas as
they now exist but there is a record of all the
registered sites with the Ministry and they are
circulated applications for development.
Anyone else, last call?
There being no further questions or comments, when being
called for the third time, the Mayor in closing the
meeting, thanked those in attendance for their
participation and advised that Council would consider all
matters before reaching a decision. Council will not be
making a decision on this plan until after December 6,
1996. Anyone wishing to submit written comments were
advised to do so before that date.
It should be noted that in accordance with Section 17,
subsection 19 of The Planning Act, The Ontario Municipal
Board has the power to dismiss an appeal to the Official
Plan if the appellant has not provided Council with oral
submissions at the Public Meeting or written submissions
to Council before the Plan is adopted. If anyone present
wishes to be advised of the passing of the proposed
Official Plan, they should leave their name and address
with the Clerk.
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Motion #1
Moved by Dickie, seconded by Bell
Be it resolved that this Special Meeting of Council with
regard to the new draft Official Plan, now be adjourned @
12:15 p.m.
Carried.
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