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01 17 1996 Sp Public2 Minutes ~ ~01I OP ~ ~. OP O'RO-IIBDO'ØD 8PBCDL PUBLXC DftD18 """"1'. JDUUtY 17. 199C . 7'OS P... - COUIICU. <:DII8De IUtft-I'IIUJ'f lIBfttNG 1994-1997 COUBCIL (P47j95) The following members of Council were present: 8 Mayor Ian Beard Deputy Mayor Murray Martin Councillor Walter Dickie Councillor Don Bell Councillor Neil craig Councillor Larry cotton Councillor Ron Sommers Absent: staff Present: Mark Stagg, Planner, Andria Leigh, zoning Administrator Also present Were: Deborah Scharf, Beth Breau, A. Stoer, P. Kurtz, Bill Dixon, Betty veitch, Janet Dean, Elaine Smiley, Lorne Borgal, Rick Hurlbut, Garth Dean, Kris Menzies, Graeme Clark, Dorothy Pidwerbecki, Mr. Pidwerbecki, Bill Dee, Les Faulkner, victor Dodd, Mary Dodd, Jacquie Besse, Shirley Woodrow, Ernie Dryden, Joyce Douglas, Barbara Douglas, R. Doglar, Rod Gill, Mr. Mittermeyer, Sherrill Gill, Gail Donovan, Bill Pidlysny Mayor Ian Beard chaired the meeting. . Mayor Ian Beard opened the meeting by explaining to those present that this Public Meeting was to receive public comments with respect to a proposed zoning By-Law Amendment, under provisions of section 34, of the Planning Act. The applicant has applied to rezone certain lands located in Part of Lots 1 and 2, Concession 4, former Township of Medonte, to rezone those lands as described from the Open Space (OS2) Zone to the Residential Exception (Rl-8) Zone to permit the development of 250 townhouse condominiums and a draft Approval Plan of Subdivision. To date, the Council of the Corporation of the Township of Oro- Medonte have not made a decision on this application, other than proceeding to this Public Meeting. only after comments are received from the Public, requested agencies and Township Staff, within the appropriate time period, will council make a decision on this application. Notice of the Public Meeting was mailed out on December 18, 1995, to all property owners within 400 feet of the subject lands. Notice of the Public Meeting was also placed in both the Barrie Examiner and Orillia Packet and Times on December 18, 1995. - 2 - Mayor Beard then asked the Deputy Clerk if there had been any correspondence recei ved on this matter. The Deputy Clerk responded by indicating that correspondence had been received from the Ministry of Natural Resources indicating no objection to the proposed amendment. correspondence was also recei ved from the Ministry of Environment and Energy regarding the status of the application for certificate of Approval Sewage Treatment Plant as well as correspondence from Ron Kolbe, Chief Building Official, expressing no objection. 8 The Mayor then stated that those persons present would be afforded the opportunity of asking questions with respect to the proposed Amendment. He then turned the meeting over to the Township Planner, Mr. Mark Stagg, to explain the purpose and effect of the proposed Zoning By-Law Amendment. ' Mark stagg: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Qui te a number of years ago now, the former Township of Medonte through its Official Plan, invited a whole series of designations for land immediately north of County Road 22, right across from the main resort development of Horseshoe in Concession 4. Part of that was to designate the subject property for a high-density form of residential development. That was then followed by an amendment to the Medonte Zoning By-law which specifically created an Exception to the zone known as RR1-S. Included in that was a maximum provision of 250 townhouses for a said piece of land. The proposal now in front of us is to expand the land area on which this development would occur but not to change any of the details of the site- specific zoning; in other words, it would still be 250 units but on a slightly larger piece of land and all the other zoning conditions remain. The other question that came up was the definition of the western boundary of the property because of the creek immediately beyond it very close to the road between Concession 3 and 4. The applicant had a professional study undertaken by M. M. Dillon. We have that study in our possession with the detail line which is referred to in the correspondence from the Ministry of Natural Resources. I'm quite satisfied that the land is properly established so that the property that is being rezoned will not be subject to flooding or other environmental damage. The other letter that was read out came from the Ministry of Environment with respect to the sewage servicing of the area. There is an indication at least that the applicant is attempting to move. forward. It would appear with some success to get the approvals from their perspective to service the area. There are other negotiations which have still to occur between council and the developer to finalize that. Tonight, I think we're simply dealing with a very small expansion of the land area. The applicant IS planning consultant has submi tted a very thorough report on the whole subject, and perhaps with your permission, Mr. Mayor, I could let my colleague, Ms. Menzies, carry on. 8 Mayor Beard Ms. Menzies? - 3 - lCris Menzies Thank you Mr. Mayor, thank you Mark. My name is Kris Menzies, I'm a planner and I'm here representing Horseshoe Resort Corporation. With me this evening is Graeme Clark. Graham is a civil engineer; he is also Horseshoe Resort's Development Manager. What I'm here to explain in a little bit more detail this evening, is the reason why the corporation has come here for a public meeting, and what the Corporation's intention is in relation to the development of this property. Mark has aptly pointed out that there is a proposal for a 250 townhouse condominiums on property which is owned by Horseshoe Resort corporation and essentially is located just east of the third concession road, which isn't built. It's north of Horseshoe Valley Road, south of the Copeland Forest. This property is designated under the Official Plan, which is approved for the 250 townhouse condominiums. It is already draft-plan approved by the Minister of Municipal Affairs and, I would estimate 97 percent of the property is zoned to allow the 250 townhouse condominiums. What I've done here, is outline in yellow the area which is already approved and zoned the 250 townhouse condominiums. What Horseshoe's intent is, is to rezone the little red area to allow some more land mass to the location of those 250 townhouses. The townhouses currently are approved to be located here and what Horseshoe wants to do is spread out that density to allow the townhouses to be developed, here. That will reduce the density of the proposal, it will still be 250 townhouse condominiums, but they will be spread out over a larger land mass. It will allow for a little bit better (?) circulation in here, and it will allow for a little bit more creativity once the final design of the location of the townhouses are developed. To give you a little bit further orientation, if any of you have golfed up at Horseshoe, this is the fourth...located behind the fourth fairway. The reason that council has called this public meeting is to here public comments on what you think about the rezoning of this little red area. Part of the process, and the reason why the Ministry of Natural Resources has commented on the proposal, is this blue area shows schematically the location of a creek. Horseshoe Resort wanted to determine how close they could get to the creek and not disturb the environmental integrity of that creek. So they retained an environmental firm by the name of M. M. Dillon. Jennifer Harper is a wetland biologist with M. M. Dillon and she did a report which she submitted to the Ministry of Natural Resources which determined how close she felt the development could go to that creek and still maintain its environmental integrity. Horseshoe Resort was encouraged by Ms. Harper's work in that the Ministry of Natural Resources has a policy which 8 8 - 4 - lCris Menzies ( cont ' d. ) basically says, to this type of creek, you're looking at a distance of 15 to 20 metres from the creek's edge. The corporation, through M. M Dillon decided that they wanted to take a little bit more of a sensitive approach, throw that policy to one side, and determine how close should it be. The basic distance which has been surveyed and now agreed upon by MNR ranges from 23 metres to 65 metres. That is why the Ministry of Natural Resources wrote the Municipality and said that they had no concern with the rezoning as long as this line was selected the survey line which was produced from Dillon's work. Essentially, Your Worship, that's about all I have to say in relation to this proposal but if anybody has any questions I'd be glad to answer them. 8 Ernie Dryden Okay? Then, I'll ask for questions from the general public? Yes, sir? state your name, please. Ernie Dryden, from Horseshoe Valley. In view of the development that's taken place at Horseshoe, could I have some understanding of how the Horseshoe Valley Road will be updated? Mayor Beard Mark stagg Okay, that I would say, doesn't directly affect this particular rezoning on this piece of property; however, there are normal negotiations for road upgrades is at the time of the plan of subdivision. Mr. stagg? That is correct, Mr. Mayor. That will come fairly soon, I would think. I think it is also fair to point out that the basics of how much traffic would come in and out and what was required was worked out in a previous situation when the original zoning and everything was put in place, so we're not really changing the amount of development in the rezoning that's here before you tonight, but simply playing around and expanding the land area a little bit. The issue of traffic is very valid, but there's going to be another place where that's going to be addressed. Mayor Beard 8 Ernie Dryden Can I ask where that meeting will take place? All meetings, in the normal course of events, we are very reluctant to schedule meetings other than at the Township offices, unless it's in the public interest to do Mayor Beard so... Ernie Dryden will it be a meeting here, sir? Mayor Beard It will be a meeting here. Ernie Dryden will we be advised? Mark stagg 8 Mayor Beard Ernie Dryden Mayor Beard Ernie Dryden Mayor Beard Brnie Dryden Mayor Beard 8 councillor cotton lCris Menzies Larry cotton Mayor Beard councillor Dickie - 5 - Mr. Mayor, I think what probably will happen is that the Township along with its consultants will meet with the developer and a consultant and we have to go through all the conditions the Minister of Municipal Affairs has imposed on the draft plan approval. Finally, that leads to a subdivision agreement. There will be an occasion when that finally comes forth to this Council, an open council, for your consideration and adoption. I suppose, then if we wish to have the public involved we have to advise them of that date, when you have this formally in front of you. There are many hours of technical discussion to bring us to the point that we are back in front of Council. Yes, Mr. Dryden, I wouldn't want to say that we're going to...negotiations with the subdivider are sometimes something that you don't want to hold in public session and we appreciate the circumstances, but normal course of events are that your council members are there to represent you and, also, anything passed will be passed at a public meeting perhaps your councillor, Mr. Dickie, or myself, or any councillor for that matter, can... will there be questions? forum for us to raise a I don't think that's a problem...(tape unclear)...you're not just representing yourself... (?)...Then, I think Council can address your concerns at a deputation at a public meeting. All our meetings are public with the exception of times when we negotiate with somebody in private session. . . I have one more request, sir. That we be advised without having to read the Barrie Examiner. Yes. Thank you, sir. Are there further questions from the public? Okay, are there questions from Members of Council? Mr. Cotton? Thank you Mr. Mayor, through to Kris Menzies. The dark green area shown on your map, just below the.. .yeah, what is that being planned for. It's the fourth fairway. Oh, that's the fourth fairway. Thank you. Are there further questions from members of Council? Mr. Dickie? The approximate size of the red and yellow areas. . . - 6 - Kris Menzies Yes, this is approximate. The yellow area is approximately 40 to 50 acres in size and this is about 3 to 4. Mayor Beard Further questions from members of Council? Further questions from members of the public? 8 There being no further questions or comments, when being called for the third time, the Mayor in closing the meeting, thanked those in attendance for their participation and advised that Council would consider all matters before reaching a decision. He then advised those present that if they wished to be notified of the passing of the proposed By-law, they should leave their name and address with the Deputy Clerk. MOTION NO.1 Moved by Martin, seconded by Dickie Be it resolved that this special Public Meeting of Council (Part of Lots 1 and 2, Concession 4, formerly Township of Medonte) now be adjourned at 7:32 p.m. Carried. ¡J ~~ ß ¡;v~/ MAYOR IAN BBARQ ~~tL L YND AIKEN, DBPUTY CLERK 8