03 07 1988 Public Minutes 7:40
THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO
MONDAY, MARCH 7, 1988 @ 7:40 P.M. - COUNCIL CHAMBERS
SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING
NINETY-SEVENTH MEETING 1985-88 COUNCIL
The following members of Council were present:
Reeve Robert E. Drury
Deputy Reeve Thelma Halfacre
Councillor David Burton
Councillor David Caldwell
Councillor Robert Swerdon
Reeve Robert E. Drury chaired the meeting.
Also present were:
Ms. Holly Spacek, Mr. Ron Watkin,
Robin Spooner, Joy & David Levison,
Henry Neufeld, Donald P. Hanney,
Fran Hanney, Lloyd Fletcher, Carol
Alderdice, Alf Alderdice, Jani te Nyenhuis
S. Koole, Stephen Woodrow, Marilyn
Swerdon, Bud Arbour, Doug Colquhoun,
Allen Blight, Roy Hastings
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Reeve Robert E. Drury opened the meeting by explaining to
those present that the purpose of the public meeting was to
introduce a proposed Official Plan Amendment under Section 21
of the Planning Act. The proposed Official Plan Amendment if
adopted, would redesignate those lands situated in Part of
Lots 26, 27 and 28, Concession 3 and Part of Lot 3, Range 2
would be changed from Agricultural "A" designation to the
"Village Country Residential - Phase 1" designation. The
affect of this amendment would be to allow for the future
expansion of the hamlet of Shanty Bay over the next 10 years.
Notice of the public meeting was circulated to the area
affected and to all land owners within 120 metres on
January 26, 1988 as well as in the Barrie Examiner and Orillia
Packet and Times, in accordance with Ontario Regulations.
In addition, notices were sent to agencies considered to
have an interest in the matter.
The Reeve then asked the Clerk if there had been any
correspondence received on this matter. The Clerk responded
that he had received one letter from Ms. Mary Atkinson of
Shanty Bay Ontario: the letter was dated February 29, 1988
and addressed to Council. This letter was read to those
present by the Clerk.
The Reeve then stated that all persons present would be
afforded the opportunity of asking questions with respect
to the proposed Official Plan Amendment. Reeve Drury
then turned the meeting over to the Township Planning
Consultant, Mr. Ron Watkin of Ainley & Associates who
explained the purpose and effect of the proposed amendment.
The Reeve then asked those present if they had any questions
or concerns with regard to the proposal.
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Don Hanney:
Has the Department of Agriculture
given any indication as to what
their views are on this?
Ron Watkin:
We have received a verbal comment
from the Ministry of Agriculture & Food
with the indication that under the
policy of the Foodline Guidline that
where you have an existing hamlet, the
Ministry recognizes that growt~ particularly
if the Municipality is supporting the
policy of directing growth to hamlet areas.
Why then does it have to be the hamlet
of Shanty Bay? Why not Guthrie?
Don Hanney:
Ron Watkin:
There are currently development proposals
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Ron watkt'.n:
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in Hawkestone, Oro Station, Guthrie,
Horseshoe Valley, estate residential
developments elsewhere: so there is
growth throughout the Township, not
just Shanty Bay.
Don Hanney:
How much of an increase has there
been in Shanty Bay over the last 10 years?
There has been an entire increase within
the Township of residential growth of
2.3%.
Ron Watkin:
Don Hanney:
How much consideration has been given
to the traffic increase on the Shanty
Bay Road? The Shanty Bay Road was
reconstructed back in the 1950's. The
only improvement to the Shanty Bay Road
since was the bridge. My concern is that
we are operating on a road which hasn't
been improved since 1958 and the traffic
has increased almost 5 fold since that
time and now you are proposing to put
another 200 and some odd people in
Shanty Bay that will be travelling
on that road.
Ron Watkin:
If the amendment is approved by Council
it would be referred to the County Enginee s
to determine if there is a problem I
with the volume of traffic.
Don Hanney:
Does this particular proposal coincide
with the South Oro Land Use Study
done a number of years ago?
Ron Watkin:
Yes it does because the development
mentioned in the Study done in 1979 -
this particular development is the
extension to that area.
Don Hanney:
What hazard are we creating over the
railway tracks?
Ron Watkin:
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If the railway crossing warrants improvemed~,
CN would be responsible for the upgrading. II
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I can't unders tand why we wan t growth 1'1
in Shanty Bay and take away from prime I,
agricul tural land. There are people III
who want to severe a lot which results I
in an O.M.B. Hearing so now you want II
to permi t a deve lopmen t . II
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You can I t close the door and say you're Ii
are not going to have anymore growth in II
in the Township. Basically, the hamlet II
of Shanty Bay as it stands now, is full Ii
and there is no room for growth without II
going through an amendment to add more l
land. As I said before, we have developme t
proposals now throughout the Township.
I think everything should be put on hold. II
The normal person doesn't understand
about growth here and there, all I I
now is this development is right beside II
me. Tonight Council are going to commit
themselves whether to rezone it or not. I
Alan Blight:
Ron Watkin:
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Ron Watkin:
Council will not be resolving anything
tonight, this is a public meeting and
they are listening to what you have to
say before a decision is made.
Don Hanney:
Is it the opinion of this group that
we are going to become a bedroom for
Barrie and all the other areas?
Ron Watkin:
The Township has for the last number
of years, recognized the fact that they
do function somewhat as a bedroom
to Barrie but they are earnestly
attempting to rezone properties
industrial and commercial.
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Don Hanney:
I am also involved in another operation
within the Township from which I get
nothing but hassels, which does bring
in revenue, doesn't impact our school
system or our garbage system. So
what you are telling me is that were
not going to have too much tourism in
particular areas but would like a lot
of bedrooms in some areas.
Ron Watkin:
The possible development in Shanty Bay
is not just for the people of Barrie.
I am sure a lot of people in this room
and in the Township, were originally
people from Barrie, Toronto or wherever
and therefore others may want to do
the same thing.
Alf Alderdice:
I live on Part of Lot 26 and 27 in
Concession 2. How far back from the
railway tracks do you have to be to
build a house?
Ron Watkin:
Buildings cannot be closer than 246 feet.
Alf Alderdice:
The parcel of land we own is 24 acres
and this proposal you are taking 10 acres
of that 24 in the amendment. That
10 acre parcel is almost virtually useless
for housing because you can't built too
close to the railway tracks.
Ron Watkin:
On the contrary. The lot sizes will
be based on municipal standards. The
property line will start at the edge
of the CN property and the restriction
is on the distance to where buildings
can be built.
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Alf Alderdice:
On the north side of my property there
is a culvert and the natural drain
crosses over onto Mr. Arbour's property.
We have a lot of water problems there
now and I might add that we addressed
Council about this drainage problem
and to this date, we have received no
written reply.
Ron Watkin:
Before this subdivision could ever take
place, the drainage problems would have
to be resolved.
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Alf Alderdice:
Another thing, at the corner of
the 2nd Line and Ridge Road the snow
is piled there so high you can't see
a thing. The County of Simcoe says
there is nothing they can do about it,
what can the Township of Oro do?
Ron Watkin:
That is strictly an issue you have
to take up with the County.
Don Hanney:
How much is the Arbour farm going to
to be developed?
Ron Watkin:
30 acres - the full length on the
Ridge Road side.
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John Borysiak:
I live on William Street and each year
the ditches in our Subdivision are full
of water and bullrushes.
Reeve Drury:
The Township is going todo some drainage
work on William Street this year by
putting some field tile underneath the
ditch.
Phil Gormaly:
I live on William Street also and
your underlying problem is compounded
by the east field which has a layer
of clay of about 2 feet which doesn't
allow the water to penetrate through.
Ron Watkin:
This problem will be addressed if
this development proceeds.
Joy Levis on:
How was the population growth rate
of the Village arrived at ?
Ron Watkin:
We used 10% of the total population
of Shanty Bay.
Joy Levison:
How many lots became available within
Shanty Bay in the last 10 years?
Ron Watkin:
I believe there were 25 building permits
issued. There was not a lot of growth
in Shanty Bay because of the restrictions
of development.
Joy Levison:
So it appears that if you make the land
available it will be developed.
In terms of configuration how long
is the frontage on Mr. Arbour's property?
Bud Arbour:
About 1,930 feet.
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Joy Levison:
Why was that configuration chosen?
Ron Watkin:
We were looking at the way in which
the hamlet should grow. If we were
not strained by the Ministry's ten year
arbitrary growth rate it may have been
different.
Joy Levison:
Is there any plans to zone industrial
or commercial properties within
Shanty Bay?
Ron Watkin:
No, not at this point in time. You
must remember that Shanty Bay is part
of Oro Township and therefore whatever
happens in respect to commercial and
industrial growth in the Township, may
reflect in Shanty B~y.
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Joy Levison:
In your configuration, did you
consider the affect of annexation?
Ron Watkin:
We certainly are looking at that
possibility and are not wanting to
creep towards Barrie, but if they
intend to come, it won't matter where
the growth is.
Joy Levison:
What classification is the land of
the Arbour property?
Ron Watkin:
It varies, but the land in particular
that we are talking about is
Agricultural 2 - 3 grouping classificat
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Gary BEll:
Here tonight on behalf of Mr. Harry
Cooper who owns Audubon Estates, a
24 lot subdivision. Reference in
notices about this public meeting
tonight referred to zoning but this
is not a Zoning Public Meeting.
Ron Watkin:
Yes, that is correct, this is a
redesignation public meeting under
the Official Plan.
Gary Bell:
Do you have any plans or a preliminary
concept that would help us in understand
the application?
Ron Watkin:
We are looking at basically redesignating
two basic areas and there certainly are
no plans of the development in any detail
at this time.
Gary Bell:
What is the justification for choosing
the 3 parcels selected for the Shanty Bay
growth and why was Mr. Cooper's property
excluded?
Ron Watkin:
Council is not in the position to make
any decision about the exclusion of
properties, this meeting is strictly
for public input on the redesignation.
Gary Bell:
Are there water supply investigations
under way to assist you and Council
with an understanding of the proposal?
Ron Watkin:
The Municipality is not in the business
of prior to setting up an area for
expansion, that we do soil surveys,
water surveys, etc. at the expense of
the public for private developers.
We function on the basis that expansion
is heading in a certain direction
providing that it is feasible.
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David Levison:
The land shown as "NA" - if the Township
doesn't do any prior work on land drainage
and other investigations, how do you
know that it's not right for development?
Ron Watkin:
In 1979 a Waterfront Study was undertaken
and we specifically hired Consultants
to investigate those areas between
Highway No. 11 and Lake Simcoe.
David Levison:
If you don't do detailed engineering
studies, why did you do this area south
of the County Road?
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Ron Watkin:
This was done in conjunction with
the Waterfront Study which was an
overall study in which it was recognized
that serious environmental problems
existed.
David Levison:
You said earlier that the growth
would be heading north, is this
because you are concerned about
annexation?
Ron Watkin:
Once you start going through a
transition of development from a
planning point of view, it is better
to go north.
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Joy Levison:
I was wondering if there has been any
discussion about closing the road
allowance between Concessions 3 and 4?
Ron Watkin:
No, not that I know of.
Joy Levision:
Is there a Zoning Study available?
Ron Watkin:
No, there has been no zoning study done,
however there is a study available
on the Official Plan Amendment proposal
and a zoning map.
Joan Deninghouse:
With respect to Mr. Koole's property
on County Road, will there be provisions
made for road access to the County Road?
Ron Watkin:
Yes.
Reeve Drury:
Are there any further questions?
not, Council would like to thank
all those in attendance for your
participation.
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As there were no further questions from those present, the
Reeve in closing the meeting, thanked those in attendance
for their participation and advised that Council will
consider all matters before reaching a decision: he also
advised those present that if they wished to be notified
of the passing of the proposed By-law that they should
leave their name and address with the Clerk.
Motion No.1
Moved by Halfacre, seconded by Caldwell
Be it resolved that the Special Public Meeting is now
adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
Carried.
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