03 21 1988 Public Minutes
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~INETY-EIGHTH MEETING 1985-88 COUNCIL
lhe following members of Council were present:
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Ii Reeve Robert E. Drury
II Deputy Reeve Thelma Halfacre
II Councillor David Burton
II Councillor David Caldwell
II Councillor Robert Swerdon
~eeve Robert E. Drury chaired the meeting.
~llllso present were: K.S. Herbert, Russell Middleton, Tom Hunt,
I George Oliver, James Scott, Ed McArthur,
II David Eyre, Terry Patterson, William May,
II Bruce Donnelly, Solicitor, Ron Watkin,
II Planning Consultant and Holly Spacek,
Township Planner
eeve Robert E. Drury opened the meeting by explaining to those
Iresent that the purpose of the Public Meeting was to
,ntroduce a proposed zoning by-law amendment under Section 34 (12)
;'f the Planning Act. The proposed zoning amendment is to
ezone those lands located in Part of Lot 1, Concession 14,
'I~om the Holding "H" zone and the Inherent Hazard Lands "OS2"
one to the General Residential "RG" zone and to the Recreational
Ind Open Space (OSl) zone. The purpose of this rezoning is to
pne these lands in accordance with a proposed single family
esidential plan of subdivision for this area.
THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO
MONDAY, MARCH 21, 1988 @ 7:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS
SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING
otice of the public meeting was circulated to the area
ffected and to all land owners within 120 metres on
ebruary 27, 1988 as well as in the Barrie Examiner and Orillia
acket and Times, in accordance with Ontario Regulations.
n addition, notices were sent to Agencies considered to have
n interest in the matter.
~he Reeve then asked the Clerk if there had been any correspondence
tleceived on this matter. The Clerk responded that there had
~een no correspondence received.
~he Reeve then stated that all persons present would be
~fforded the opportunity of asking questions with respect to -
~he proposed rezoning amendment. Reeve Drury then turned the
.eeting over to the Township Planning Consultant, Mr. Ron Watkin
f Ainley and Associates who explained the purpose and affect
~f the proposed amendment.
'he Reeve then asked those present if they had any questions or
oncerns with regard to the proposal.
avid Eyre:
We are particularly concerned with this
Subdivision because of the experience we
have had with Heathwood Estates built
in Orillia Township. My immediate concern
is that it is being built very close to
the North River and the hydro easement.
Is there any quarantee from the Developer
that there will be controls for erosion
and siltation before this subdivision starts.
Watkin:
Relative to this situation, the Ministry of
Natural Resources is going to require that
type of work be done. Now that we are aware
of this concern, it can be addressed to the
Ministry of Municipal Affairs as a draft
condition of approval.
Donnelly:
I am the Solicitor for the applicant and we
are quite familiar with your concerns.
This matter has been discussed directly with
the Ministry of Natural Resources and they
feel there is a large area of latitude to
make an adjustment farther along the North River
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The Ministry of Natural Resources is also
aware that the subdivision bounds onto an
environmental sensitive area and they must
approve of the drainage plans.
Will there be individual septic tanks?
Yes, there will be 68
residences.
Would you then say this is high density
residential?
No, it would be considered low density.
How big are the lots?
1100 square metres - 12,000 square feet.
I live across the road from this and
I am not objecting to the subdivision itself,
but I question what you term low density.
All the powers to be have to look at this
and give their graces: septic systems are
not going to be approved here unless the
Health Unit is satisfied that it is capable
of functioning properly. It will be on
a municipal water system and the Ministry
of Environment will regulate and control
the water problems. Mr. Johnson has a
right to develop this subdivision as anyone
else does and if he meets the conditions
of those agencies that are responsible, then
he has the right to proceed with it.
Yes, but I am wondering if the services in
that area are big enough to support what
he is doing there.
The preliminary discussions with the Ministry
of Natural Resources indicated that with
2 very deep wells it would be much less likely
to interfere with the water table of the
properties around it. The engineers,
Mr. Stanton and Township Staff agree that it
would lessen the impact on the environment
of the surrounding area if a controlled
municipal water system was used. This
is a very expensive alternative but
Mr. Johnson felt it would not create as
many problems within the area. Also, most
of the lots are greater in size than the
minimum requirements of the Township and
the County Health Unit require for septic
tank systems.
If this subdivision proceeds, I think you'll
have to install traffic lights at Prices
Corners because we have problems getting
off of Horseshoe Valley Road now.
I live on Orser Drive, Lot 13, and I know
Mr. Donnelly touched on the water concern,
but the main concern the people in our
subdivision is the water supply. I know
the Ministry of Environment says how much
water capacity is required for this size of
development but if he's given the approval
to go ahead and there's a problem with the
water I don't think we would be going to
the Develo. )er, I think we'd be going to
the Township.
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Watkin:
Drury:
Watkin:
illor Swerdon:
Watkin:
Donnelly:
Eyre:
Donnelly:
.Reeve Halfacre:
Donnelly:
Eyre:
Watkin:
Drury:
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The Developer is responsible to satisfy the
Ministry or he doesn't get approval.
The Township is not responsible.
Ron, could you touch upon the type of
questions the Ministry of Environment
would ask a Developer.
They would ask as much as they can.
The developer who have to submit an
hydrologist report showing the amount of
water that is available, the volume
required to service the development, provision
for storage and fire protection etc.
Ron, I would just like some clarification
if in fact this subdivision is completed
with 68 homes and 6 months or a year
later it is found that wells adjacent to
the area begin to run out of water, what
happens then?
The studies are done in advance and the
problems addressed properly so that that
doesn't happen.
I understand that there is an interim period
after the development is completed where
the Developer still retains responsibility
of the water system.
Then if something did go wrong and it
affected me, would that mean I would have
restitution?
I don't know whether you would have
restitution but you would have some course
of action. The preliminary information we
have from the Ministry and Mr. Stanton is
that there is a lot of water available in
the area and it's just a matter of going
deep enough and draining it in such a way
that it doesn't affect the neighbouring
properties.
Mr. Donnelly, do I understand that the water
table will be ascertained initially and that
later on if anyone's well runs dry, and it
is proven that it results from the development,
would the Developer be responsible?
As I mentioned earlier, there is an interim
period where the Developer is responsible
but I don't know for how long, at some point
the Township will assume it and become
responsible. I would like to mention that
Lot 70 is where the well will be situated
which was chosen by our Engineer, based
upon'the knowledge and factors obtained,
and in fact there could even be an artesian
well in that area.
I still question what I have said before,
that the volume of service requirements for
that particular density isn't sufficient.
This subdivision may have more dwellings
in terms of density than an adjacent
development but the services are adequate.
Tonight we are just concerned whether
anyone has any opposition to the rezoning
changes which are being made on these lands.
Are there any further questions?
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Ms there were no further questions from those present, the
~eeve in closing the meeting, thanked those in attendance
~or their participation and advised that Council will consider
III matters before reaching a decision: he also advised those
resent that if they wished to be notified of the passing of
he proposed by-law, that they should leave their name and
ddress with the Clerk.
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~e it resolved that the Special Public Meeting is now
~djourned @ 7:45 p.m. Carried.
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I would just like to comment that the
points raised tonight are concerns that
we hope will be addressed and satisfied.
With respect to the proposal, there is
strong need and market for homes in this
area and our client hopes to provide some
68 homes for residents.
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