06 05 1989 Public Min 7:30
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THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO
SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING
MONDAY, JUNE 5, 1989 @ 7:30 P.M. - COUNCIL CHAMBERS
THIRTY-FIRST MEETING 1988-1991 COUNCIL
The following members of Council were present:
Reeve Robert E. Drury
Deputy-Reeve David Caldwell
Councillor David Burton
Councillor Alastair Crawford
Councillor Allan Johnson
Also present were:
Mr. Ron Watkin, Ms. Beverly Nicolson Township Planner, Mr.
David White, Mr. Richard Vandersand, Helen E. Brown,
A. Beaton, David Mortell, N. Koyarna, Ross Slaughter,
Cliff Richards, Doris Richards, David O'Brien, Jim Langman
Henry Neufeld, Buffi Woronka, Victor DeMartini, Jack Miller,
Alma Mitchell, Paul Ego, Robert Ego, Nettie Ego, Norman
Campbell, Keith Lees, Ray Stevenson, Morris Douglas,
E. Beaton, Dawn Baker, S. D. Baker, Lillian McConnell,
Angela McConnell, Kenneth McConnell, Bonnie Gillespie,
Kelly Coones, Julie Cayley, Tim Camick, Mary Lou Kirby,
Liz Edwards, Suzanne Newell, John Edwards, Carl Canning,
Naomi Ball, Elsie Hare, Jennifer Hare, Carlton Hare, Gail
O'Brien, John Hare, Bob Besse, Jacquie Besse, Edward M. Hall,
Elda Hall, Jean MacKie, Gord MacKie, Gary Frechette, Dayle
Frechette, Bonnie Johnston, Jane Hutchison, Pat Pridding,
Connie Cochrane, Jack Seigel, Todd A. Stocks, Joan Leigh,
Heather Kerslake, Linda Fuciarelli, Ann Metcalfe, Sandra
Cuthbertson, Rick Cuthbertson, A. Bromley, Coleen Rankin,
Charlie Metcalfe, Fred Arff, Gladys Arff, Linda Humphrey,
Terry Burns, Janet Atkinson, Chris Saila, Colleen Rankin,
Ron Mitchell, Nancy Mitchell, Bill Beaton, Barry Cockburn,
Barbara Keith, R. Saila, Ron & Marilyn Lockhart, Alice and
Barry Cockburn, Jan Beard, Allan and Linda Baker, Percy and
Helen Brown, Edward Abbott, Gail Robinson, Jim and Susan
Grant, John. H. McArthur, Gordon Keith, Edward Honsberger,
Carol Kelley, J. David Duncan, Jeff Ball, Roger Kerslake,
Richard Wilson, Alan Van Geyn, Ted Duncan, Jim Mitchell,
Don Simpson, Marg Simpson, Gary W. Luhowy, Pamela Bristow,
Robert Swerdon, lain Beaton, Ed Webber, Bob Johnston, Lynda
Johnston, Pamela Hutchison, Brenda Brown, M. Audrey McConkey,
Tom McConkey, David Brown, Paul Ley, Frank Gouweloos, Leslie
Saila, Linda Kinsey, Meryl Drake, Stan Kinsey, Mary Hick,
David and Mary Wilkins, Judy Bromley, Stephen R. O'Connor,
D. J. Vanlint, A. M. Holmes, Elisabeth Leyds, M. Saila,
Ted & Diane Lalm, Trudy Vanderveen, Gary & Rose Lotchart,
Lorraine Ego, Bruce Sawyer, Peter Kirkely
Reeve Robert E. Drury chaired the meeting.
Reeve Robert E. Drury opened the meeting by explaining to
those present that the purpose of the public meeting was
to introduce a proposed Official Plan and Zoning By-law
Amendment under Sections 17 (2) and 34 (12) of the Planning
Act. The proposed Official Plan and Zoning By-law Amendment
is to redesignate those lands located in Part of Lots 2 and
3, Concession 9 from Agricultural, Rural, and Environmental
Protection designation to allow the development of mixed
residential and recreational uses; and further to rezone
from the Agricultural (A), Rural (RU), Environmental
Protection (EP).
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Notice of the public meeting was circulated to all property
owners within 400 feet of the subject lands. Notice of the
public meeting was also placed in both the Barrie Examiner
and Orillia Packet and Times on May 10, 1989.
The Reeve then asked the Clerk if there had been any
correspondence received on this matter. The Clerk responded
by indicating that five pieces of correspondence had
been received namely from Peter Walsh, E.J. Beaton, Anita
C. Beaton, Gary W. Luhowy, Lillian McCbnnell and R.E. & J.C.
Hutchison.
The Reeve then stated that all persons present would be
afforded the opportunity of asking questions with respect
to the proposed amendments. Reeve Robert Drury then turned
the meeting over to the Township Planning Consultant Mr. Ron
Watkin to explain the purpose and effect of the amendment.
At the conclusion of Mr. Watkin's presentation, the Planning
Consultant for the Developer Mr. Ross Raymond, addressed
those present stating the status of the development on behalf
of Seeley & Arnill Aggregates.
The Reeve then asked those present if they had any questions
or comments with regards to this proposal.
Ed Hall:
At the May 15th meeting of the Coulson
Jarratt District Ratepayers Association
Mr. Ross Raymond agreed to supply us
with a complete set of current engineer-
ing reports. We just received these
reports on last Friday @ 6:00 p.m.
(3 days ago). I respectfully request
Council reschedule this meeting to
provide us time to review and understand
this material in order that we can
properly formulate our questions.
The Reeve recessed the meeting @ 8:30 p.m. and reconvened
at 8:35 p.m.
Connie Cochrane:
At the onset of this meeting it was
mentioned that you had letters in the
file with regards to this proposal.
I have been in touch with the Ministry
of Natural Resources and the Ministry
of the Environment and they have both
spent corrrespondence raising serious
concerns with the proposal in question
and the plan to rezone at this time is
premature.
Reeve Drury:
We have not received that correspondence
to date.
Connie Cochrane:
Another concern I have is with respect
to short term politicans and short terms
governments and short term thinking.
When the survival of the planet and
the human species is totally dependent
on clear long range forecasting and
planning, we can't keep growing on like
this. (Ms. Cochrane read an article
from the Spring '88 issue of Seasons,
being an Ode to Ontario Farmlands)
You are a key guardian to our heritage.
Oro Township is being turned over to
development at a torrid pace, I urge
you to put a freeze on development in
Oro until long term environmental and
Township planning can be formulated with
input from the Ministries of Natural
Resources, Environment and Agriculture
and of course the residents.
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Connie Cochrane:
My further comments are based on the
May 15th document we received. We have
received nothing in writing indicating
some of the things have been changed
and therefore my comments are based on
that May 15th engineering report.
Our concerns are the Coldwater River
and Coulson Swamp. The document
on May 15th does not acknowledge the
significance of this wetland nor does
it maintain or improve it. We have
5 major areas of concern:
( 1 )
parks, recreation,. service areas
and sewage treatment areas are
shown to be directly on the
wetlands;
housing enroaches on wetlands with
no provision for a buffer zone;
loss of wetland species due to
pesticide application;
nutrient loading from sewage
affluent and fertilizer application
increased flooding and erosion
as well as decreased spring flow
rate.
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( 3 )
( 4 )
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(Ms. Cochrane referred to the new
Provincial Policy Statement on Wetlands,
specifically Sections 1.2 and 4.1)
Ed Hall:
I wish to express concern over the
Hydrogeology report which is the basis
for long use planning for the Buffalo
Springs proposal. A few neighbouring
wells have been overlooked, including
Mr. Heitzman's property, the ne
well to the north, and my own. The
water supply is such a vital question
to this development, it is respectfully
requested that Council withhold the
approval of this proposal until the
Developer has conducted such hydrogeolog
ical studies that will enable him to
guarantee that no adverse affects to
neighbouring wells will occur.
Lillian McConnell:
I and the people here, want to know
what studies have been done to determine
the impact this development will have
on the school district. East Oro Public
School is already overloaded. Have
boundary changes been discussed? If so,
I want to know the projected enrollment
for Warminster, Moonstone and Marchmount
Schools. They all are already at
their maximum. What are the estimated
costs of accommodating and busing these
children? With provincial cut backs
in education and the pooling of the
industrial and commercial tax base,
what increase. can the taxpayers of all
of Oro Township be expected to pay.
You say you have been in contact with
the Simcoe County Board of Education,
I want to know with who. They have
admitted to being drastically under-
funded. Their concerns are with the
southern end of the County, therefore
I find it incredible they would give
you any indication that they could
handle the overflow at East Oro Public
SchooL
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Ross Raymond:
At the ratepayers meeting on the
25th of May, I promised that a report
would be prepared on the school
situation. Unfortunately we couldn't
get it done before this evening.
The report will be made available to
the Township and to the Association and
Mr. Hall.
Gail O'Brien:
As the School Board Trustee for Oro
and Medonte, I represent the concerned
citizens of both of them at this time.
I am not sure who you may have been
speaking to at the School Board office,
but I have spent a great deal of time
with Mr. Grant Moore who is in charge
of planning for the S.C.B.E. Different
areas use different formulas for how
many children are being produced per
house in a development. In Oro they
use 1 in 3. Buffalo Springs therefore,
would be estimated to produce 197 chi
which means to whatever school these
children would attend, would mean an
8 room addition. The way the boundary
now lays, these children would be
attending East Oro. East Oro now
has four portables at this time with
the fifth being added this September.
If we can keep it in the budget, the
way the cuts coming the way they have
been, East Oro is to be receiving a
6 room addition for September of 1990.
This six room addition would not
accomodate these expected 197 children.
The impact that a subdivison such as
this has on our schools, unfortunately
tends to be gradual, as the houses are
completed at different phases. In
the meantime while we go through the
process, it would be at least 10 to 15
years down the road before you would
see a new school. Lot levies can only
be used at this time, to fund new
buildings, not additions or retrofit.
Connie Cochrane:
I have to question the ratio used.
1 in 3 seems highly unlikely, were talk
townhouses here.
Susan
Grant:
I would just like to ask Gail, is it
not a 6 room porta pack thats to be
at East Oro?
Gail O'Brien:
At the moment it is a proposed porta pack
Jeff Ball:
I live about 400 feet south of the
Buffalo Springs land. I am totally
confused with this process. I was
informed that this meeting would be
pertinent to the zoning. I don't
understand why I would get one page about
such a major complex issue when you
get seven or eight pages about a small
land severance for a farmer who deserves
to have his land severed.
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Ron Watkin:
This property is first to go through an
Official Plan Amendment aDd that's to
establish the principle of development,
not the specifics of it. The notice
that you referred to said that this
meeting was for an amendment to the
Official Plan and the zoning By-law.
We do not deal with the Zoning By-law
until the Official Plan is in place.
This is the process stipulated by the
Province of Ontario. It is not the
same as the severance application you
referred to. I guess what has been
sent to you in that regard would have
been the copy of the application itself,
which is not necessary, but they have
chosen to use that process.
You were specifically notified about
this meeting because you live within
400 feet of the subject lands. The
Township's only legally entitled to
advertise in the papers, but they
have chosen to do both. We could have
sent you the application itself, but it
wouldn't tell you what is actually
taking place. This public meeting is
to provide you with more information
and a better understanding of the
proposal.
Jeff Ball:
I would also like to know why it would
be necessary to have to phone long
distance to get an answer to a question
which should be supplied by the
Township.
Ron Watkin:
You contacted me I believe either
Thursday afternoon or Friday morning.
You asked me for information which
was done on this municipality about
5 years ago which the Ministry of
Municipal Affairs modified a document
on and you wanted all the information
pertaining to how and what the Ministry
modified. I advised you that I could
not give you that information over the
phone as. I would have to take some
time to go to the files and dig it out.
Jeff Ball:
I also phonedthe Township Office with
a number of other questions and both
the Clerk and the Planner were
conveniently out of their offices for
the last part of last week.
It is also common knowledge that
Mr. Schumacher came to the Township
Council with an unofficial proposal to
divide his property into 50 acres lots,
or something to that effect. I would
like to know from the Reeve or Council,
whether or not at that point in time
you encouraged Mr. Schumacher to
possibly try to sell his land to
adjoining farmers?
Reeve Drury:
Not to my knowledge.
Jeff Ball:
The Official Plan states in Section
4.6.1 that the addition of lands to
existing farm units shall be encouraged.
When is this encouragement to take
place? You had a perfect opportunity to
build up the farms and agricultural
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Jeff Ball:
(Cont'd)
components of the Township.
Reeve Drury:
Mr. Schumacher brought a proposal into
us for some severances which did not
meet our policy so he was turned down.
Jeff Ball:
Yes, but when does this encouragement
policy take place?
Ron Watkin:
Documents in the Municipality are such
that they do try to encourage good
agricultural land to be preserved and
maintained in agricultural usage.
The Municipality, as much as they can
find possible, will try to encourage
someone to consolidate a farm, but we
don't have any control over any
individual as to what they might say.
This land belongs to Mr. Schumacher, and
it is his basic right to sell it or to
sell it and consolidate it. Council
has no control over that. The guides
in the Official Plan are such that they
are there and so it is to encourage
different types of things, but they don'
have the final say or the ability to
demand that someone do something.
Jeff Ball:
There is strong evidence in the papers
in the last couple of week that we
may be heading into a recession. The
sale of houses is recorded to be down
about 50% in the Toronto area.
Who then will be buying these houses
and where will the Township get the
money to service such a massive
development such as this, if indeed we
are heading into such a recession?
Reeve Drury:
If the Developer fails to finish the
development, the Township has a Letter
of Credit in place in order that we
could finish the development.
Lillian McConnell:
I understand from Mr. Raymond that
all these studies are not complete,
and that all documentation is not
readily available. Do you not think
this entire procedure is extremely
premature? You haven't had time
to find out if the results of these
studies may not be beneficial.
that
Reeve Drury:
You are right. Council still has a lot
of documents yet to go over and make
sure all are in place before we make
a decision.
Lillian McConnell:
Will that result in another meeting be
held in order that we have that informat
Reeve Drury:
If you wish to come back as a delegation
before Council, yes.
steve Woodrow:
My comments for the people here tonight
is that this will be your only chance to
object to this officially and we are
having the same problem with another
development already scheduled for along
the highway. What you are getting into
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Steve Woodrow:
(Cont'd)
here is not gradual growth in the
Township anymore, its growth explosion.
If you people plan to fight this you
better fight it strongly now and all
the way to the O.M.B. You can come
here as a delegation and you will be
heard but you won't have your questions
answered very well and you will still
leave angry.
John Hare:
I would hope that all motions made will
be noted in your minutes so that when
minutes are made available it will show.
Reeve Drury:
There have been no motions made
here this evening so far. The meeting
is being tape recorded.
John Hare:
I certainly hope that you will take
into consideration all those people
who have stood up here for 13/4 hours,
because they are here as concerned
citizens. I trust that as a Council
who is here to represent us, that you
will give consideration to those
people who are here and concerned about
this proposal. We would also like
to appear before Council again.
Bob Swerdon:
I am not a member of Mr. Hare's rate-
payers group but this meeting is for
all of the people of this Township and
not just one ratepayers association.
When you say that the information not
presented tonight is yet to be presented
and will be sent specifically to one
special group, you are eliminat~ng the
rest of the people in this Township
who are also concerned. As a non-member
of that group, how would I be privy to
that information. The Planning Act
states that you shall have at least one
public meeting. It doesn't state that
you have only one. I think by the
response of the people in this room
tonight and especially the response
from the people at a previous public
meeting, that this Council would have
wakened up to that fact that the people
here are interested and they don't want
the wool pulled over their eyes anymore.
If there is not going to be another
public meeting so that all of that
information can be produced, I would
strongly suggest that this proposal be
turned down 100% tonight. It would also
save the Developers any further needless
expenditures.
Allan Vanguine:
Just looking at the proceedings here
this evening, I see your concern for
the professionals who are presenting
the case of the Developer who are going
to take their fee and I do not see the
same courtesy offered to the residents
of Oro who are going to live here for
the rest of their life. What benefits
do you perceive the other residents
of Oro will get from this development?
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Ron Watkin:
As I have already made clear earlier,
Council is only here tonight to give
us the opportunity for residents to
express their concerns so that they
some idea of what they are. Council
have not said they would not have
public meeting. They are not here
to make a decision on this tonight.
Allan Vanguine:
If you had someone here who is totally
impartial, they would definitely get
feèling that this is a pro-development
Council.
Reeve Drury:
I would like Mr. Watkin to explain
to the public here what process would
take place if we turned the developer
down and didn't call a public meeting
this evening.
Ron Watkin:
Anyone who wants to develop in this
Province has the right, whether its
a simple severance, a subdivision or a
major development. The legal situation
is that this group could do all their
studies and not have the approval of
Council and still get their development.
The process is such that they have the
right, that under the Planning Act they
only have to wait 30 days for a decision
on that application- Following those
30 days, they have the right to go
directly to the Ontario Municipal Board
for a major hearing. That creates a
very major expenditure on the Municipalit .
This meeting was not set up for
controversy or this side against that
side. The intent was to obtain the
concerns the residents have in order
that they can be adequately assessed.
If that's not done and it goes to a
Board meeting, you've got one Judge
who will make the decision. If you
want to go to the Board, you have that
option too.
Allan Vanguine:
I understand the process and my major
concern is that it will ruin the rural
lifestyle of the Township, against
the wishes of the residents.
Stephen Woodrow:
I am sorry for not being very
parliamentary. In the past after a
public meeting, Council usually decides
whether to go ahead with it or not, is
that not true?
Ron Watkin:
Yes that is true, but there are certain
instances where certain applications
have no problems and that it may be
a straight forward minor adjustment.
The majority of the time with this
Council, it is basically a two week
waiting period prior to making a
decision. Your comment you made earlier
that this was their only chance, is
certainly against the planning process
and something that I certainly wouldn't
recommend Council to do, and ~omething
they wouldn't do anyway.
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Stephen Woodrow:
I would like to give these people
an example of what Council have
done in the past.
Reeve Drury:
Mr. Woodrow you're out of order. Once
more and you'll be removed from the
Chambers.
Gary Luhowy:
I represent Lot 3, Concession 10.
My first concern I would like to
address Mr. Watkin. Mr. Raymond's
comments earlier indicated that County
Road No. 22 was a corridor area for
development. Is there any plan at
this point for the Council to consider
anamendment to the Official Plan
in the North Oro Area as a whole?
Normally planning processes are not
too condusive to spot zonings, or in
this case a large spot Official Plan
amendment. It would appear to me to
make more sense with the impact on
water, sewers, school~, etc. to have
an Official Plan Study done on the
entire North Oro area.
Ron Watkin:
A number of things are taking place
right now and it is not abnormal for
any municipality in Simcoe County
to have tremendous development pressures
We are currently reviewing many of
types of development as well as specific
areas having a secondary plan. We
are also looking at the agricultural
policies. There hasn't been a specific
overall study undertaken as yet, but
there has been discussion on it.
Gary Luhowy:
What controls would Council have as
far as type of housing which would take
place in this development?
Ron Watkin:
I would have to think that the multiple
dwellings and single family dwellings
will certainly not be affordable housing
They won't be the $100,000.00 dollar
town house developments that you see.
Most will be the very high upper class
housing. The market will determine that.
Gary Lohowy:
So whether its low income or expensive
condos, it's up to the Developer and
Council has very little control.
Ron Watkin:
Council certainly can't regulate that,
it will probably be a very high profile
area.
Gary Lohowy:
Mr. Hall stated earlier that with
respect to the minutes being kept, that
it was to be shown on record that
the meeting be adjourned for the sake
of seating and opportunity to review
the extensive deputation here.
Reeve Drury:
We are taping the meeting here tonight
and parts will be transcribed and
copies will be available once Council
has approved them. It will be a
lengthy document.
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Ted Duncan:
I live on the Bass Lake Side Road
and I have two questions. I notice
you had asked a couple of people to
leave tonight and I think you would
have had a problem if you were trying
to get the O.P.P. to come to do it.
Down where I live it takes about
15 or 20 minutes for the police to
get there. What consideration has
been made about policing this area?
With this type of development and the
amount of young people which could
result in motorbikes and trespassing
of all kinds. What you will have here
is a more urban area within a rural
setting and all the farm land around
this development will be affected.
In this concession it is policed by
Barrie. The other question I have
deals with fire protection. If they
had a major fire in a townhouse
development with a number of units tied
together, they're going to need more
than one small pumper truck from
Rugby to put them out. What your
about here is the need for a new hall
and maybe two fire trucks.
I hope you will find it necessary to
hold another public meeting and
let us know tonight when it is going
to be. I know you are here to just
consider this proposal and I respect
that, but I also think you should be
looking at the long term development
of Oro.
Marion Saila:
I have a 200 acre farm on the 10th
which goes right back to the 9th. I
have not got a fenced property on the
back and for some years we have had
much trouble with bikers and other
all terrain vehicles coming through.
I understand Mr. Duncan's concern as
we too have had to call the police out
several times. What frightens me, and
a lot of people about this development,
is your talking people pollution. We
are going to have more people in that
subdivision than there is in the Town
of Coldwater. They have enough problems
of their own, with a complete Council,
looking after that number of people.
What is proposed here is a town,
suddenly created by immaculate
perception, dropped right into our
backyard.
Linda Kingsley:
I've only been here for two months and
I just came tonight to see what my
Council was doing and what was going
on. What I would like to know is
what your feelings are on having another
public meeting in order that this
can be all sorted out. Don't forget
that there's a lot of professional
people on this side of the room too.
Jack Segal:
I am a biologist and I own a chunk of
the wetland downstream from the bison
pond. Hopefully they no more about
development than they do about animals.
I've looked over this development
proposal very briefly and based on
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Jack Segal:
(Cont'd)
what is written there from a biological
standpoint is that the development
is definitely encroaching on the
wetlands and will seriously erode this
area. My second concern is the quality
of life. Whenever that term is raised,
I think one has to define it and for me
that means a rural lifestyle. Due to
the malignancy of the Markham area, I
was driven out of that area due to the
quality of life and the erosion of it.
I have found that quality again here,
and I really don't look forward to
to move on again. I would like to
be able to speak out in support of this
development but I really can't think
of any points that support it and I
certainly believe it is the Council's
job to evaluate whether it is a pro
or con to the Township and the area,
and you can only do that after you have
heard both sides. We need to be looking
atlong term decision making and long
term solutions.
Ann Metcalfe:
I spoke to Council last fall about a
recycling progam and it's been pushed
back, where is all the garbage going
from this place. I just heard from
my next door neighbour (we live on the
6th Concession) that you are planning
a dump across from me.
Reeve Drury:
We certainly aren't aware of anything
proposed for Concession 6 at this time.
We are proceeding with a recycling
program in Oro Township, commencing
July 1st this year, with complete
Township wide garbage pick-up and
disposal. Each and every person will
pay their share of the garbage disposal
and recycling. This development or
any future development will not cause
undue burden on other residents of
Oro Township. Our landfill site has a
good many years left in it, probably
more than any other landfill site in
Ontario.
Paul Ego:
Robert Small has a letter that I sent
in earlier for Council to read, and myse
and possibly a few others here, are in
favour of this development. You realize
what is in the soil of the wetlands
now, because right now there are elk
and buffalo running around that area.
What more can cause damage to the lands
thæ the elk and buffalo haven't already
done? We have problems with silt
running off the buffalo lands right now
into our adjoining land on Concession 9.
I also see a safety problem with the
narrow roads in the Township, especially
at the 9th Line because you can't see
both ways - I've had several near
accidents. Since I have lived here all
my life, I would much rather see a
safer Oro Township, even though I
do like to see areas being preserved.
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Paul Ego:
(Cont'd)
I would guess that we probably travelled
past at least several thousand acres of
wetlands just to get here. I think
the development planned for this area
is a good one and will benefit the
farmers by selling their produce because
the more people who live locally buy
locally.
Brenda Brown:
I live on Horseshoe Valley Road and if
you've ever been up there on a Friday
or Sunday afternoon to see the cottagers
travelling that road, you would certain
know that the estimated traffic on
that road is way out of line. When
you add 572 homes with 2 cars per home,
to the volume of traffic already on
that road, that really concerns me
and the safety of my children.
Lillian McConnell:
How are you going to notify us of the
next meeting. Are you going to circulate
a mailing list around this room with
all our names and addresses on it or
by that one tiny piece on the back of
the Packet that nobody can find?
Reeve Drury:
I guess if we were going to notify you
all by mail there would be some of you
in here that we may miss.
Lillian McConnell:
There's a list done already, I've signed
it.
Reeve Drury:
Can you assure me that everyone in here
are the only people who are concerned
for this development? If that is your
request make sure the mailing address and
postal codes are correct.
Ted Duncan:
Has anyone thought of what the cost
will be to not only the Township but
also the County, to reconstruct County
Road No. 22. When you think of the
number of people who travel along that
road now and the number proposed to
travel on it, what we need is a good
road without any dips and dives.
Your going to have people from urban
centres buying these homes and they
are going to demand a good road and
this is going to burden the Township
and the County ultimately.
Ross Raymond:
If this meeting hasn't been an exercise
in democracy, then I'm not really
sure what it is. I have certainly made
a lot of notes and as I have indicated
earlier that as proposers of this
development, it is our responsibility
to bring the answers to the Municipality
and to you. I would certainly support
the idea of an additional meeting and
it would be in your hands as to when
it will be. I would like to comment on
the matter about the Developer having
some rights to force the development
onto the Municipality. We did not
come here with the intention of forcing
this development on this area. We came
here to make a proposal and to ask the
people of the area and the Council, to
give it their consideration. That is
what we have asked and sincerely hope
that is the spirit in which we carryon.
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Ross Raymond:
(Cont'd)
We are ready to do as we promised
and as the material is prepared tc
try to resolve the concerns mentioned,
will be provided to the Municipality
as a central place where they can
be seen and examined. We did suggest
that we would give copies directly
to the association which has just been
formed in the immediate area of the
proposal and we will certainly do that.
I continue to hope that the process
will be seen as one of trying to ensure
that everyone has the information that
they require in order to make a proper
decision.
Leslie Saila:
I have lived in that area since 1967
and I don't think that anyone knows
the area as well as I do, I've riden
it every day of my life. There's an
area on Township property where kids
go on their recreational vehicles.
There's broken glass and debris all
over the place up there. Where do
you think these kids in this deve
are going to go?
Reeve Drury:
At this time I would like to ask Counc
to recess for a few minutes to try and
set a date for the future public
meeting.
The meeting recessed at 10:05 p.m. and
reconvened at 10:10 p.m.
Reeve Drury:
The next public meeting for this
proposal will be on Monday, July 10th,
1989 at the Oro Township Arena at
7:00 p.m.
The Reeve in closing the meeting, thanked all those in
attendance for their participation and advised that Council
would consider all matters before reaching a decision.
Motion No.1
Moved by Johnson, seconded by Burton
Be it resolved that we do now adjourn this Special Meeting
of Council at 10:10 p.m. Carried.
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