04 17 1990 Public Minutes
THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO
SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING
TUESDAY. APRIL 17. 1990. @ 7:15 P.M. - COUNCIL CHAMBERS
NINETIETH MEETING 1988-1991 COUNCIL
The following members of Council were present:
Reeve Robert E. Drury
Deputy Reeve David Caldwell
Councillor Alastair Crawford
Councillor Allan Johnson
Absent:
Councillor David Burton
Also Present Were:
Mr. Ron Watkin, Mr. Richard Vanderzande, Mr.
John Hare, Mr. Ted Beaton, Mr. Casey VanKesse ,
Mr. Al Smith, Mr. Bill Darby, Mrs. Ruth Darby
Mr. Ed. Fleming, Mrs. Janet Fleming, A.
Baldwin, Mr. Peter Wigham, Mr. Dan Maloney, M .
Stephen Woodrow and One Member of the Press.
Reeve Robert E. Drury chaired the meeting.
I Reeve Robert E. Drury opened the meeting by explaining to those
present that this Public Meeting has been called pursuant to Sectio
34 (12) of the Planning Act, to obtain public comments with respect
to the proposed zoning By-Law Amendment. The Zoning By-Law Amendme t
is proposed to upgrade residential lot sizes.
To date, the Council of the Corporation of the Township of Oro have
not made a decision on this application other than proceeding to a
Public Meeting. Only after comments are received from the Public,
Township Staff and requested Agencies within an appropriate time
period, will Council make a decision on this application.
Notice of the Public Meeting was placed in both the Barrie Examiner
and Orillia Packet and Times on March 17, 1990.
The Reeve then asked the Clerk if there had been any correspondence
received on this matter. The Clerk responded by indicating that no
correspondence had been received.
The Reeve then stated that those persons present would be afforded
the opportunity of asking questions with respect to the proposed
Zoning By-Law Amendment.
Reeve Robert E. Drury then turned the meeting over to Mr. Ron Watki ,
Township Planning Consultant, who explained the purpose and effect
the proposed amendment.
Ron Watkin:
The proposed Zoning Amendment is an amendmen
to upgrade the lot area requirement for a
single family dwelling, primarily within the
Residential General Zone, the Rural Zone, th
Resort Residential and the Shoreline Seasona
Residential Zone. The present standard in
those zones is 1850 square metres. The chan
in the upgrading is to change that to 2023.5
square metres. You are going from a 20,000
square foot lot, upgrading it to just slight
over a half acre lot in size. The additiona
change is for development of semi-detached
and duplex dwellings and that is being
upgraded from 1850 square metres to 3035 I
square metres. The lot frontage on those
lots is changing from 30 metres to 45 metres.
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Ron Watkin:
It is basically an upgrading of the lot size
in conjunction with the Health Unit, in that
general lot sizes need to be larger,
particularily with new policy coming from th
Ministry of the Environment.
John Hare:
How many square feet?
Ron Watkin:
The 1850 square metres is roughly 20,000
square feet changed to 2023.5 square metres i
21,781.5 square feet.
Casey VanKessel:
Is it the Health Unit or the Township that
wants the bigger size lots? I am mainly
concerned with the duplex situation. I have
built the first legal duplex in the Township
of Oro and waited over three years to be abl
to do that and now that I have the zoning in
place, now you are going to change it all. I
do not really see the purpose of it as far as
Health requirements is concerned. If the
Health Unit is concerned with the nitrates
from the wells, why don't they space the well
further from the sewage system, rather than
saying the nitrates need more available land
to disperse? My answer is they are going to
disperse downward rather than outward. I
don't understand it and I am against the
motion for the amendment.
Also, people do not want to maintain these
larger pieces of property.
I do not see why the Health Unit or the
Township wants to go this way, if there was
some type of information that made sense to
back this up, I would likely be satisfied, bu
I just do not understand it.
Ron Watkin:
Certainly the purpose of the meeting is to
have comments such as you are making so that
Council can assess them. I believe that most
of what you said was really a statement of
your concerns addressed to Council as opposed
to a question.
In terms of increasing the lot sizes, I do no
see the change in the single family lot size
as being that great and is an issue that the
Township feels should be increased to a half
acre lot size.
You have to recognize that the sizes we are
putting on are definitely minimum and those
minimums are only the 20,000 square foot or
the 21,781 square foot lot or in fact the
32,000 square foot lot for the semi's and the
duplexes, are in fact only minimums. They ca
only be assessed once you do the appropriate
work to determine whether or not you can have
a lot there. We are running into for example,
a development that had lots proposed as half
acre size and what we felt was a reasonable
area and that requirement after the hydrology
work was done will be an acre. That is
standard now, anytime you are doing anything
with septic and wells within any rural area
now you are looking at probably up into the
one acre lot size.
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Ron Watkin:
In terms of increasing the semi's and the
duplexes to the 33,000 square foot level;
that increase was not what was recommended b
the Health Unit in terms of the size they wa
us to go to. They want 40,000 square foot
lots.
Casey VanKessel:
Why?
Ron Watkin:
They feel that 20,000 is an ideal condition
and if you have two dwellings in there, you
have maybe six bedrooms instead of three and
that is what they want.
Casey VanKessel:
Everyone tells me that this has to be, but
they can't tell me why. Nobody can give me
any logical reason why. My question is, why
do they have to be larger?
Ron Watkin:
From the experience the Health Unit has had
throughout, and the engineering basically on
septic tank and development in lots of
improper poor soil or that type of thing they
have to be larger to adequately handle the
effluent that is coming out of there, not to
create a problem to a neighbour or to destroy
the environment which we are all trying to
protect.
Casey VanKessel:
You have said a lot of words, but nothing.
Reeve Drury:
This Council has taken a good look at lot
sizes and if there is going to be any
development in this municipality, we would
like to hear comments from everyone out there
environmentalists, ratepayers, etc. If there
is going to be any development, it is going t
be in larger lots, we are going to keep them
spread out and that is the way we like to see
it in Oro Township. If anyone wants to
develop in Oro Township it is going to be
under our rules.
Ruth Darby:
With old Plan 712 in our area, what will the
lot sizes have to be increased to? They are
presently about 50' X 150'.
Ron Watkin:
I would have to look at the specifics of the
plan itself. In terms of a registered plan,
the lot sizes that were approved on that
registered plan are the lot sizes you can dea
with unless you cannot get approval. The
Health Unit has to deal with the existing
situation. It may be that two lots will have
to be put together in order to meet the
requirements to have an adequate septic syste
on it.
Bill Darby:
What is going to happen to the existing lots
on Plan 712 if they are individually
registered?
Ron Watkin:
I believe the plan you are talking about is a,
deregistered plan and that is a different
issue than what we are dealing with here in
terms of upgrading of the standards for the
residential general.
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Ron Watkin:
If it is a deemed plan you are going to have
to meet the requirements of the municipality
in terms of the appropriate road width going
in and the appropriate lot sizes that would
meet the Health Unit requirements.
Ruth Darby:
If the owner should develop, change the
existing lots to larger lots, will he have to
change the road width and bring it up to
Township standards before he develops those
lots? '
Ron Watkin:
I can't give you an actual accurate answer to
that, each of those deemed plans would have t
be looked at in terms of what can be done.
What is intended to be done is to upgrade a
deemed plan to todays standards. I cannot
guarantee you what the final lot sizes would
be, but they are going to have to meet todays
standards if they are going to have new
development.
Ruth Darby:
That still does not answer my question
pertaining to the road.
Ron Watkin:
I am sorry I cannot give you that answer.
What you are asking me is questions that do
not relate to the By-Law that the Public
Meeting is on. I do not have Plan 712 in
front of me and I have not been directed or
asked to look at it in terms of what needs to
be done. Council will do that if an
individual wants to develop the property and
take the plan out of a deeming situation.
Peter Wigham:
Currently, what is the lot size if you are
going to do a Plan of Subdivision?
Ron Watkin:
The new Registered Plan of Subdivision for
single family housing is 1850 square metres
which is 20,000 square feet.
John Hare:
This is for new and future development is tha
right? Will it be all the Township?
Ron Watkin:
Yes that is right and it covers all the
Township.
Alastair Crawford:
Subdivisions where there is water supply, can
the lot size be down from that which was
stated.
Ron Watkin:
Now there is one standard, up until today
there have been a few standards, there was a
lower lot size if you had a municipal water
system.
The Reeve, after inquiring and ascertaining there were no more
questions from those present, thanked those in attendance for their
participation and advised Council would consider all matters before
reaching a decision.
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He also advised those present that if they wished to be notified of
the passing of the proposed By-Law they should leave their name and
address with the Clerk.
MOTION NO.1
I Moved by Caldwell, seconded by Johnson
Be it resolved that the Special Public Meeting
of Council (Lot Sizes) now be adjourned @
7:35 p.m.
Carried.
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