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04 17 1990 Public Minutes THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING TUESDAY. APRIL 17. 1990. @ 7:15 P.M. - COUNCIL CHAMBERS NINETIETH MEETING 1988-1991 COUNCIL The following members of Council were present: Reeve Robert E. Drury Deputy Reeve David Caldwell Councillor Alastair Crawford Councillor Allan Johnson Absent: Councillor David Burton Also Present Were: Mr. Ron Watkin, Mr. Richard Vanderzande, Mr. John Hare, Mr. Ted Beaton, Mr. Casey VanKesse , Mr. Al Smith, Mr. Bill Darby, Mrs. Ruth Darby Mr. Ed. Fleming, Mrs. Janet Fleming, A. Baldwin, Mr. Peter Wigham, Mr. Dan Maloney, M . Stephen Woodrow and One Member of the Press. Reeve Robert E. Drury chaired the meeting. I Reeve Robert E. Drury opened the meeting by explaining to those present that this Public Meeting has been called pursuant to Sectio 34 (12) of the Planning Act, to obtain public comments with respect to the proposed zoning By-Law Amendment. The Zoning By-Law Amendme t is proposed to upgrade residential lot sizes. To date, the Council of the Corporation of the Township of Oro have not made a decision on this application other than proceeding to a Public Meeting. Only after comments are received from the Public, Township Staff and requested Agencies within an appropriate time period, will Council make a decision on this application. Notice of the Public Meeting was placed in both the Barrie Examiner and Orillia Packet and Times on March 17, 1990. The Reeve then asked the Clerk if there had been any correspondence received on this matter. The Clerk responded by indicating that no correspondence had been received. The Reeve then stated that those persons present would be afforded the opportunity of asking questions with respect to the proposed Zoning By-Law Amendment. Reeve Robert E. Drury then turned the meeting over to Mr. Ron Watki , Township Planning Consultant, who explained the purpose and effect the proposed amendment. Ron Watkin: The proposed Zoning Amendment is an amendmen to upgrade the lot area requirement for a single family dwelling, primarily within the Residential General Zone, the Rural Zone, th Resort Residential and the Shoreline Seasona Residential Zone. The present standard in those zones is 1850 square metres. The chan in the upgrading is to change that to 2023.5 square metres. You are going from a 20,000 square foot lot, upgrading it to just slight over a half acre lot in size. The additiona change is for development of semi-detached and duplex dwellings and that is being upgraded from 1850 square metres to 3035 I square metres. The lot frontage on those lots is changing from 30 metres to 45 metres. - 2 - Ron Watkin: It is basically an upgrading of the lot size in conjunction with the Health Unit, in that general lot sizes need to be larger, particularily with new policy coming from th Ministry of the Environment. John Hare: How many square feet? Ron Watkin: The 1850 square metres is roughly 20,000 square feet changed to 2023.5 square metres i 21,781.5 square feet. Casey VanKessel: Is it the Health Unit or the Township that wants the bigger size lots? I am mainly concerned with the duplex situation. I have built the first legal duplex in the Township of Oro and waited over three years to be abl to do that and now that I have the zoning in place, now you are going to change it all. I do not really see the purpose of it as far as Health requirements is concerned. If the Health Unit is concerned with the nitrates from the wells, why don't they space the well further from the sewage system, rather than saying the nitrates need more available land to disperse? My answer is they are going to disperse downward rather than outward. I don't understand it and I am against the motion for the amendment. Also, people do not want to maintain these larger pieces of property. I do not see why the Health Unit or the Township wants to go this way, if there was some type of information that made sense to back this up, I would likely be satisfied, bu I just do not understand it. Ron Watkin: Certainly the purpose of the meeting is to have comments such as you are making so that Council can assess them. I believe that most of what you said was really a statement of your concerns addressed to Council as opposed to a question. In terms of increasing the lot sizes, I do no see the change in the single family lot size as being that great and is an issue that the Township feels should be increased to a half acre lot size. You have to recognize that the sizes we are putting on are definitely minimum and those minimums are only the 20,000 square foot or the 21,781 square foot lot or in fact the 32,000 square foot lot for the semi's and the duplexes, are in fact only minimums. They ca only be assessed once you do the appropriate work to determine whether or not you can have a lot there. We are running into for example, a development that had lots proposed as half acre size and what we felt was a reasonable area and that requirement after the hydrology work was done will be an acre. That is standard now, anytime you are doing anything with septic and wells within any rural area now you are looking at probably up into the one acre lot size. - 3 - Ron Watkin: In terms of increasing the semi's and the duplexes to the 33,000 square foot level; that increase was not what was recommended b the Health Unit in terms of the size they wa us to go to. They want 40,000 square foot lots. Casey VanKessel: Why? Ron Watkin: They feel that 20,000 is an ideal condition and if you have two dwellings in there, you have maybe six bedrooms instead of three and that is what they want. Casey VanKessel: Everyone tells me that this has to be, but they can't tell me why. Nobody can give me any logical reason why. My question is, why do they have to be larger? Ron Watkin: From the experience the Health Unit has had throughout, and the engineering basically on septic tank and development in lots of improper poor soil or that type of thing they have to be larger to adequately handle the effluent that is coming out of there, not to create a problem to a neighbour or to destroy the environment which we are all trying to protect. Casey VanKessel: You have said a lot of words, but nothing. Reeve Drury: This Council has taken a good look at lot sizes and if there is going to be any development in this municipality, we would like to hear comments from everyone out there environmentalists, ratepayers, etc. If there is going to be any development, it is going t be in larger lots, we are going to keep them spread out and that is the way we like to see it in Oro Township. If anyone wants to develop in Oro Township it is going to be under our rules. Ruth Darby: With old Plan 712 in our area, what will the lot sizes have to be increased to? They are presently about 50' X 150'. Ron Watkin: I would have to look at the specifics of the plan itself. In terms of a registered plan, the lot sizes that were approved on that registered plan are the lot sizes you can dea with unless you cannot get approval. The Health Unit has to deal with the existing situation. It may be that two lots will have to be put together in order to meet the requirements to have an adequate septic syste on it. Bill Darby: What is going to happen to the existing lots on Plan 712 if they are individually registered? Ron Watkin: I believe the plan you are talking about is a, deregistered plan and that is a different issue than what we are dealing with here in terms of upgrading of the standards for the residential general. - 4 - Ron Watkin: If it is a deemed plan you are going to have to meet the requirements of the municipality in terms of the appropriate road width going in and the appropriate lot sizes that would meet the Health Unit requirements. Ruth Darby: If the owner should develop, change the existing lots to larger lots, will he have to change the road width and bring it up to Township standards before he develops those lots? ' Ron Watkin: I can't give you an actual accurate answer to that, each of those deemed plans would have t be looked at in terms of what can be done. What is intended to be done is to upgrade a deemed plan to todays standards. I cannot guarantee you what the final lot sizes would be, but they are going to have to meet todays standards if they are going to have new development. Ruth Darby: That still does not answer my question pertaining to the road. Ron Watkin: I am sorry I cannot give you that answer. What you are asking me is questions that do not relate to the By-Law that the Public Meeting is on. I do not have Plan 712 in front of me and I have not been directed or asked to look at it in terms of what needs to be done. Council will do that if an individual wants to develop the property and take the plan out of a deeming situation. Peter Wigham: Currently, what is the lot size if you are going to do a Plan of Subdivision? Ron Watkin: The new Registered Plan of Subdivision for single family housing is 1850 square metres which is 20,000 square feet. John Hare: This is for new and future development is tha right? Will it be all the Township? Ron Watkin: Yes that is right and it covers all the Township. Alastair Crawford: Subdivisions where there is water supply, can the lot size be down from that which was stated. Ron Watkin: Now there is one standard, up until today there have been a few standards, there was a lower lot size if you had a municipal water system. The Reeve, after inquiring and ascertaining there were no more questions from those present, thanked those in attendance for their participation and advised Council would consider all matters before reaching a decision. - 5 - He also advised those present that if they wished to be notified of the passing of the proposed By-Law they should leave their name and address with the Clerk. MOTION NO.1 I Moved by Caldwell, seconded by Johnson Be it resolved that the Special Public Meeting of Council (Lot Sizes) now be adjourned @ 7:35 p.m. Carried. Re&t ctr~