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09 04 1990 Public Minutes (2) , , I THE CORPORATION OF THE TOWNSHIP OF ORO SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 1990, @ 7:30 P.M. - COUNCIL CHAMBERS T e following members of Council were present: I i Reeve Robert E. Drury Deputy Reeve David Caldwell Councillor Alastair Crawford Councillor Allan Johnson j {"nt, -;1 ~ pre...t I' II I I' i' ¡, I I II !I 11 ii II I D puty Councillor David Burton Were: Mr. Ron Watkin, Mr. R. Vandezande, Mr. Frank Tecklenburg, Mr. Dino Sardelis, Mr. Nelson Robertson, Mr. Earl Robertson, Mr. Morely Shelswell, Mr. Fleming, Mrs. Shirley Woodrow, Mr. Ray Powell, Mr. Ray Bowes, Mrs. Lynda Aiken, Mr. Ron Sommers, Mr. Gary Tonge, Ms. Linda Thome, L. Lilson, Ms. Sue Lilson, Mr. Rocco Calautti, Mr. Jeff Ball, Ms. Hope Anderson, Ms. Mary Anderson, Mr. Bob Toffan, Ms. Sheree Toffan, Ms. Helen Toffan, Mr. Ron Toffan, Mr. James Zerny, Mr. John Higgins, C. F . Carthy, Mr. Robert Vieira, Ms. Karen Vieira, Mr. Carl Cumming, J. Vanden Heuvel, Mr. Martin Vanden Heuvl, B. Galipeau, Mr. Dave Viney, Ms. Kim Viney, Mr. Bob Murray, Ms. Eileen Murray, Mrs. Shirley Woodrow, Mr. Tim Crawford, Ms. Ilene Crawford, Ms. T. Paterson, Skelton, Brumwell & Associates, Ms. Pat Pollock, Mrs. Gail Robinson, Mrs. Pearl Robinson, Mr. John Palmur, B. Vitt, Mr. John Kotsopoulos, J.A. Bragg, Ms. Marjory Hall, Mr. William J. Jones, M. J. Jones, Mr. Alfred Perkin, Ms. Vivian Bell, Mr. Ken Bell, Mr. Kimle, Ms. Annette Pope, Norah Raiku, Mr. John Muckleston, E. M. James, Mr. Alan Worobec, Ms. Eileen Schwartz, Ms. Myrna Wesley, J. Wesley, Mr. Rolande LeFane, Ms. Clare LeFane, Mr. Rod Raikes, Dr. Dale Hodges, Mr. John Holland, and One Member of the Press. Reeve David Caldwell chaired the meeting. D puty Reeve David Caldwell opened the meeting by explaining to t ose present that this Public Meeting was to obtain public c mments with respect to a proposed Official Plan Amendment, p rsuant to section 17 of the Planning Act, 1983. The proposed 0 ficial Plan Amendment results in a review of the Natural Area and p oposes policies in the Official Plan which permit additional R sidential Development within specific selected locations. T date, the Council of the Corporation of the Township of Oro have n t made a decision on this application, other than proceeding to a Public Meeting. Only after comments are received from the P blic, Township Staff and requested agencies within the a propriate time period, will Council make a decision on this a plication. N tice of the Public Meeting was placed in both the Barrie Examiner a ,d Orillia Packet and Times on August l4, 1990. J ckie Vanden Heuvel: ~ ely b~ ~l~.ll, J]I kie Vanden Heuvel 0 tuq u..~ ~l'y.l1, Ja~kie Vanden Heuvel: ~ D.~q ...~ ~lû.ll, II Ii Jall,kie ff Vanden Heuvel: R.~ ntki., I I !1 Tl II II I I ¡ Ii II I I I Patterson: - 3 - I have property on the Ridge Road on the corner of the 9th. Does that mean that those are the only properties that will be looked at? Those are the only ones that are proposed at the moment. Can I still put an application in? I was told not to bother when I came into the Office in the Spring. Not while the review was on. State what your position is and what you would like to see, so that we are aware of it. We would like to sever a piece off of our property and I do not know the way of doing this. If they are not being looked at now, do I put an application in for when they are being looked at? What is proposed at the moment are only those streets that were identified in those areas. The reason for the Public Meeting is that if there are any other areas that we should be considering, they are brought to our attention tonight so they can be looked at. What decision we will reach will be decided by Council. I would like to propose on it, is that how you do it, I am not sure of the procedure. It is generally two weeks after a Public Meeting before we take any action whatsoever and the two weeks is only a minimum it is not standard, it could be longer than that. What Council will be looking at is if anyone has concerns or wishes some additional consideration, then what we would require is that you submit a letter to Council. We will address your concerns specifically and give you the reasons why or why not. I am the assistant planner with Skelton Brumwell and Associates from Barrie and I am here to represent my clients who are the owners of a 121 hectare parcel which is in lots 21 & 22, Concession 13, which is currently all designated in the Natural Area. We have been retained by our clients to investigate the planning and engineering feasibility of their development objectives which includes residential development of the property. We are currently in the midst of environmental studies of the site and do not have a proposal to date and we are looking at feasibility only at this point. However, our client would like to have the opportunity of having the municipality consider their proposal when it is prepared. D puty Reeve Caldwell: A Nelson: Caldwell: De uty Reeve Caldwell: :11.0 01 uty Reeve R Watkin: 1 ! I J Crawf.r" I' II I ¡ 1 J es Z",rny: Watkin: - 4 - We just wanted to make Council aware of this and that we will be putting forth a written submission as well. Within the next few weeks if possible. I am from Bass Lake and I was just wondering if any of this land in question is E.P. land? Yes, some of it would be. Specifically, with any of the areas that we showed you that are being changed, are all in the Natural Area Zone. The Natural Area Zone is not the Environmental Protection Zone. Throughout the area between the Ridge Road and the Shoreline there certainly are Environmental Protection areas, but those areas are zoned in an OS3 category not in an Natural Area Zone. They are separated from this area itself. In answer to your question, there is not any E.P. areas being addressed in this. I am from Oro Beach, Oro Station. I commend Council on this plan, I think it is a common sense plan. I think there is two things that we should make sure of. I think it would be logical and it would be fair that there be provision for consideration of severances and Plan of Subdivisions in any parcel of land South of the Ridge Road, the same way as North of the Ridge Road. These proposals that are being presented tonight, on what basis are they being presented? What made you choose these particular ones? I know myself I have an application in, that is not in this. What we did with these is we identified areas where we thought it was most appropriate to seriously consider some development because there was already development on one side of the road and the other side was designated differently. I would just like to make it clear that when the policy was established it was looked at in terms of the Planning Advisory Committee and ourselves as to what do we really want to see. Do we want all the roads within this area totally stripped from one end to the other, and the answer to that question was no. You will find if you go through the areas that we selected it does not include roads which are County Roads, it does not include roads which specifically lead from the County Road to the water or to the existing Residential area. It does not include those types of J es Zerny: D ¡puty Reeve Caldwell: es zerny: ! lUir Crawford: Bo Murray: II Al~"air Ii Crawford: - 5 - roads. We are looking at the function of those roads to carry traffic, not to be stripped and utilized as driveways. That is technically how those came about. The ones that are being proposed this evening, they are basically large parcels in the Natural Area, there are no small parcels in the Natural Area being considered, is this correct? Yes, I would say there are. What would the smallest parcel be? You are showing pictures and I have no idea. Are we talking parcels that are basically larger than ten acres? We did not look at this in terms of the size of the parcel. The way the system runs right now with respect to the Reasonable Use Policy, individual lots could end up to three or four acres in size. That may be a requirement based on the standards of the Health unit and the Environment. We are looking at the function of the road areas as opposed to the size of the parcels. There are people missing tonight that I know have concerns and they live on the South Side of the County Road 20, South Side of the Ridge Road. There have been various people in here asking for consideration to divide up quite large lots. There are also areas that do not conform to the Natural Area criteria. In other words they have gravel bases, good place for septic tanks and they are not in areas where they have bad soil conditions, and this has not been addressed. I can assure you before this amendment is put in place, they will be addressed. Also, along with this is the severance policy. The severance policy for that area, I think is unfair. There is a separate policy throughout the Township but none there. 'I'he only way you can change the severance policy is to be rezoned first. Mr. Crawford opened up a can of worms that had been closed already. My impression was that Council feels the 9th, loth concession roads are not to become access roads for a house, one lot or whatever. If Mr. Crawford it opening that up, are you also asking Council to look at that side of the issue? The people that I am concerned about are people who have applications here for di viding up lots. They are very large lots mostly between the County Road and the railroad and it is a very confined area. , I i I ¡ II Ii Ii II II :i - 6 - I Ii II + HUrray, I i II "t 'atti" They have lots which are probably five and six acres and would like to divide them in half for family members. I think we have to address that before we finally decide what we are going to do with this amendment. I also came into the office in the Spring and I was told not to bother, hold off, something is in the works, you will have to wait and see. But in listening tonight it appears to me that there is no point in my coming back into the office now because Council is saying, no, we don't want to develop those. I would just like to make something clear and from what you are saying, I think it is not clear. This is a Public Meeting for you to express your concerns or take the information you receive tonight and go home and sit down and write a formal letter to Council, saying, I would like some consideration and/or this is what I would like to see done. Council has not made a decision and they are not addressing anything right now. What you see here tonight, may not be what comes out in the end. Once all the information is in then Council will sit down and do an assessment and make a decision. II Ii ¡I I, II Th~ Deputy Reeve after enquiring and ascertaining that there were not, further questions from those present, thanked those in at endance for their participation and advised that council,.. would co sider all matters before reaching a decision. He then advised th e present that if they wished to be notified of the passing of th proposed by-law, they should leave their name and addrecs with th Clerk. i MO ON NO.1 Mo d by Drury, seconded by Crawford Be ~t resolved that the Special Public Meeting of are¡¡ Official Plan Amendment) now be adjourned @ I I Council (Natural 7:56 p.m. Carried. Dep ty /ff¿lil Clerk Robert W. Small r~~ eave David Cald